monaco75
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So, might you guys know the correct paint for a '74-'75 CHP car?
1975 Police Car
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MrMoparCHP
Old Man with a Hat
1974 Dodge Black
1975 Dodge Black
DQE8000 White (1955/56 GM Fleet White)
These are all said to be the same?? I went with the one of the DuPont numbers as I was getting Dupont Paint and I feel it is a perfect match.
8000 Ditzler/PPG
DT1087 Chrysler
DT1087 Sherwin Williams
WT0047 Ford
MX709509 Ford
17205 Acme Rogers
6730 Dupont
181570 Dupont
10005 Martin Senour
17205 Martin Senour
1705 Sherwin Williams
J5-1705 Sherwin Williams
http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?ditzler=8000
(Skip all the 80001, 80002, 80003 etc.)
Alan
monaco75
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Thank you, thank you Alan!! I'll be saving this! So the white never changed throughout the years? Hmm...
Aidan1976
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Hi there,
Yes, spotted this '75 Fury on Craig's List also. Was very excited when I foundit, as I used to own afactory black ’75 Fury sedan. It was back in Ireland, and was brought in brand new and registered inAugust 1975 by the American Government for use at the American Embassy inDublin. A lot of classic American cars were brought in by the Embassy over theyears, including a '71 Fury Sport Suburban (383) which was later converted to ahearse when sold to the public at end of service.
The only differences to my car was that it had a 360 engine, taninterior, and no stainless trim around the roof. Unfortunately the car was toodilapidated to restore when I obtained it in '07 or '08, surprisedit still had the diplomatic immunity plate under the front license plate.I stripped it and kept EVERYTHING – drivetrain, bumpers, nose, interior,glass, door handles and mechanisms, wheels, dog dish hub caps etc.etc. Just tried to attached some pix but didn't work, perhaps toobig...
Sent an email to the seller as have been searching for one of these cars in thesame colour etc. for a LONG time now. Am quite surprised at how hard they areto find, i.e. '71-'76 Coronet/'78-'78 Monaco/'75-'78 Fury B-Body sedans. Rarerthan 4-speed and Hemi cars lol?? But like has been said, they were smashed upin nearly every TV show and movie of the '80s. Blame "Hunter" I guess,lol. I sent an email to the owner, but maybe not interested in sellingoverseas, will see.
Anybody out there have, or know of, of a plain jane '75-'76 Coronet/'78-'78Monaco/'75-'78 Fury B-Body sedan for sale? Would be great to find one in thesame scheme as my old car, black with tan interior. Even one with either colourwould be great, can always change/paint to suit. The plainer the better.
Thanks, just though I'd join in. Really hope the car goes to someone who willpreserve and keep it in the same great condition it appears to be in.
Cheers, Aidan (Australia)
Yes, spotted this '75 Fury on Craig's List also. Was very excited when I foundit, as I used to own afactory black ’75 Fury sedan. It was back in Ireland, and was brought in brand new and registered inAugust 1975 by the American Government for use at the American Embassy inDublin. A lot of classic American cars were brought in by the Embassy over theyears, including a '71 Fury Sport Suburban (383) which was later converted to ahearse when sold to the public at end of service.
The only differences to my car was that it had a 360 engine, taninterior, and no stainless trim around the roof. Unfortunately the car was toodilapidated to restore when I obtained it in '07 or '08, surprisedit still had the diplomatic immunity plate under the front license plate.I stripped it and kept EVERYTHING – drivetrain, bumpers, nose, interior,glass, door handles and mechanisms, wheels, dog dish hub caps etc.etc. Just tried to attached some pix but didn't work, perhaps toobig...
Sent an email to the seller as have been searching for one of these cars in thesame colour etc. for a LONG time now. Am quite surprised at how hard they areto find, i.e. '71-'76 Coronet/'78-'78 Monaco/'75-'78 Fury B-Body sedans. Rarerthan 4-speed and Hemi cars lol?? But like has been said, they were smashed upin nearly every TV show and movie of the '80s. Blame "Hunter" I guess,lol. I sent an email to the owner, but maybe not interested in sellingoverseas, will see.
Anybody out there have, or know of, of a plain jane '75-'76 Coronet/'78-'78Monaco/'75-'78 Fury B-Body sedan for sale? Would be great to find one in thesame scheme as my old car, black with tan interior. Even one with either colourwould be great, can always change/paint to suit. The plainer the better.
Thanks, just though I'd join in. Really hope the car goes to someone who willpreserve and keep it in the same great condition it appears to be in.
Cheers, Aidan (Australia)
72Fury
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Cool story Aidan & good luck with your search.
Plenty of cars available.....good luck to you.
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Looks like a nice car for the money.
G'Day Mate.
as was noted, cars like you want do show up a lot..not so much on this Forum but others like it that specialize in the B bodies, plus Ebay, Craigslist, etc. Hope you find a nice one!
Aidan1976
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Hi Lads,
Thanks very much for your responses, appreciate the positivity. Chin up, I'll find what I'm looking for one day....(can be said for a lot of things in life lol).
Cheers, Aidan
Thanks very much for your responses, appreciate the positivity. Chin up, I'll find what I'm looking for one day....(can be said for a lot of things in life lol).
Cheers, Aidan
Aidan1976
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A pic of my ex-American Embassy car in Ireland, mean arse end. RIP:
69CoronetRT
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75 'cop cars' could come in standard colors and have a paint code on the tag. Some cars that required specific fleet colors contain a paint code (273) but I don't think we know what that color was. Some coded 999 for paint and we do not know what the color was. That could be a plant specific item. Research continues....
I don't remember....isn't the Police Package Code A38?
69CoronetRT
Senior Member
The white books shows that was a valid code '75-'77 but I've never seen it coded before '78. If A38 was coded on a tag or BS before '78, I'd sure enjoy seeing it.
I gotta go to the "authority" on this to get the exact words: The Sanow/Bellah book.
page 134. "The A38 police package had been available on full-size Plymouths since 1971...In 1974 that all changed. Full page ... was devoted to explaining and promoting this package. 'Dodge Police Pursuit cars and Plymouth Police Specials as such are four-door sedans. If you want a choice of body styles and trim levels, or if resale value is a big consideration, specify the Code A38 option on any Monaco or Monaco Custom or any Fury III, II, or I 4-door sedan, 2-door hardtop, 4-door hardtop or station wagon. The A38 option is Chrysler-engineered, factory installed, and will convert any of these models into a pursuit type/police type vehicle.'"
Sometimes fleets ordered up-level trim cars for supervisors/chiefs/captains that had the bling but were also pursuit rigs under the skin. Some departments had coupes for undercover work, some state departments even ordered the up-level trims for every-day patrol use.
Hope that helps.
MrMoparCHP
Old Man with a Hat
I'm not going to take sides on this one other than to say I like to see Chrysler literature to support the existence of this code on a particular date.
Alan
Alan
MrMoparCHP
Old Man with a Hat
I have 7 data tags for 71-76 for Police Package cars DK & RK VINs, not one of them have the A38 on the tag.
I'm not saying that the code doesn't exist, just that absence from the tag doesn't mean it isn't a Police Package car.
In these years the K in the second position in the VIN is for Police.
Need more data.
Alan
I'm not saying that the code doesn't exist, just that absence from the tag doesn't mean it isn't a Police Package car.
In these years the K in the second position in the VIN is for Police.
Need more data.
Alan
Sanow refers to fleet literature in 1974 where Chrysler devoted the "full page" description to the A38 code that he quoted in his book (that I posted above). Sanow notes also A38 was not offered on Satellites and Coronets 1971-1974
I've got a 1972 Fury III ex-NJ Statie I'm working on..I dont recall whether A38 is there...if Sanow is correct it might be there?
My '71 Polara Washington Statie is a "Custom" model, second letter in VIN is 'L", fifth letter "U"...l gotta look at it too to see if A38 is there.
No doubt "K" in second position meant "Police" as you note.
I've got a 1972 Fury III ex-NJ Statie I'm working on..I dont recall whether A38 is there...if Sanow is correct it might be there?
My '71 Polara Washington Statie is a "Custom" model, second letter in VIN is 'L", fifth letter "U"...l gotta look at it too to see if A38 is there.
No doubt "K" in second position meant "Police" as you note.
The Allpar site (my experience is they are reputable) has a piece on the A38 option too...not offering this as "proof" either but just another data point.
http://www.allpar.com/squads/history.html
1971 was a year of very little change for Chrysler’s full sized cars, and even the obligatory sheetmetal alterations looked little different than last year’s. Plymouth again beat Dodge by offering the police package in the A38 group. It could be had on any model car, not just the base cars. Gave the Chiefs, Detectives, and the higher ranks a plusher ride, but it was still a cop car.
http://www.allpar.com/squads/history.html
1971 was a year of very little change for Chrysler’s full sized cars, and even the obligatory sheetmetal alterations looked little different than last year’s. Plymouth again beat Dodge by offering the police package in the A38 group. It could be had on any model car, not just the base cars. Gave the Chiefs, Detectives, and the higher ranks a plusher ride, but it was still a cop car.
69CoronetRT
Senior Member
While I appreciate the time and effort that go into publishing books on particular topics, experience tells me that what is often published and what can actually be found in the real world can vary.
Does the author offer any pictures of window stickers, fender tags or broadcast sheets that show code A38 before '78? Like MrMopar, I have not seen the actual code used on '77 or earlier cars. What was coded and when it was coded varied by plant and year. The code may be valid but not actually show up on these items. IF it was actually coded prior to '78, I would appreciate seeing a copy.
Research continues.....
fair points guys...the research should continue. thats how we all get smarter.
again i will look at the fender tags on the three "documented" state police, up-level trimmed E86 cars I still own from '71-73' and see what they say. to my chagrin, I just dont remember. anyway i will post pics here in a couple weeks when i'm next visiting the "fleet".
i dunno where the "documents" that "prove" these authors' assertions actually reside today. I am comfortable "somebody looked at something" when they did their work and aren't making stuff up/mistaken? Sanow and Bellah were police officers..that helps me with their personal credibility at least.
oh, while they dont have pictures of buildsheets/fender tags in their book, but they do identify all their sources/references at the end of each chapter... many such references include several copyrighted/dated materials from Chrysler Corporation they used/quoted from.
again i will look at the fender tags on the three "documented" state police, up-level trimmed E86 cars I still own from '71-73' and see what they say. to my chagrin, I just dont remember. anyway i will post pics here in a couple weeks when i'm next visiting the "fleet".
i dunno where the "documents" that "prove" these authors' assertions actually reside today. I am comfortable "somebody looked at something" when they did their work and aren't making stuff up/mistaken? Sanow and Bellah were police officers..that helps me with their personal credibility at least.
oh, while they dont have pictures of buildsheets/fender tags in their book, but they do identify all their sources/references at the end of each chapter... many such references include several copyrighted/dated materials from Chrysler Corporation they used/quoted from.
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