440 Stroker Assembly Ideas

I had to go with bias ply tires, I could not get DRs to hook, next time you need tires you should try some.
Your car is bad ***, I think I watched your Youtube vids before I seen you around here. Cooler than a truck full of Fonzies!!
 
Is there a description of your car here somewhere 65Fury440? Sounds like you have had some serious stuff done
 
No it has been changing drastically.
Basically it was a 383 4 speed bench seat car.
Now has 440 Source 3.75 strokex3.5 bore = 520 CI
TF 240 heads, ported to MW size, flow 370 cfm @.700 on Larry Smith's bench
337 intake also ported
This cam and EDM lifters
Mancini 1.6 rockers
Howards Cams Mechanical Flat Tappet Camshafts 720152-08
2" Dougs headers
3" TTI exhaust, modified to drop out easily to go to track
1050 Thumper Dominator
High volume Carter mechanical fuel pump with electric pusher, 3/8 fuel line
I rebuilt the original 4 speed B&T trans
McCleod twin disc clutch and billet flywheel
Custom driveshaft eliminating B&T driveshaft
67 B body Dana, had 3.54 gears, now running 4.10. I rebuilt the Sure Grip and got Youtube certified to set up a ring and pinion. ( help from this forum as well)
Willwood discs up front.
I haven't been able to break 10s with it yet. My best was 11.21, the ticket didn't print the MPH, but, my buddy thought it was 123 MPH.
Since that outing I've added a line loc, lighter disc brakes, bigger carb.
Traction is always an issue, the LL will be easier to heat the tires than popping the clutch and grabbing the brake.
I might be losing a little time not power shifting, but, I haven't broke anything yet.
Sorry bout the derail OP.


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65Fury440 said:
No it has been changing drastically.
Basically it was a 383 4 speed bench seat car.
Now has 440 Source 3.75 strokex3.5 bore = 520 CI
TF 240 heads, ported to MW size, flow 370 cfm @.700 on Larry Smith's bench
337 intake also ported
This cam and EDM lifters
Mancini 1.6 rockers
Howards Cams Mechanical Flat Tappet Camshafts 720152-08
2" Dougs headers
3" TTI exhaust, modified to drop out easily to go to track
1050 Thumper Dominator
High volume Carter mechanical fuel pump with electric pusher, 3/8 fuel line
I rebuilt the original 4 speed B&T trans
McCleod twin disc clutch and billet flywheel
Custom driveshaft eliminating B&T driveshaft
67 B body Dana, had 3.54 gears, now running 4.10. I rebuilt the Sure Grip and got Youtube certified to set up a ring and pinion. ( help from this forum as well)
Willwood discs up front.
I haven't been able to break 10s with it yet. My best was 11.21, the ticket didn't print the MPH, but, my buddy thought it was 123 MPH.
Since that outing I've added a line loc, lighter disc brakes, bigger carb.
Traction is always an issue, the LL will be easier to heat the tires than popping the clutch and grabbing the brake.
I might be losing a little time not power shifting, but, I haven't broke anything yet.
Sorry bout the derail OP.


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What does your car weigh?
 
Very impressive and thanks for posting that 65Fury440. She rips!:thumbsup:
 
Hey Moseman,

Thanks for that, pretty much what I'm looking at as a matter of fact. I am assuming you've got that in your car currently (since that thread is from a few months back)? How is she running with that cam? Pretty close to what the dyno gave you?

Mike
 
MEV said:
My 66 new yorker 505/512 build. Post #3

My car is 3:23 geared and has ferocious bottom end and breathtaking midrange, and pulls to 6300 like a rocket. It has power brakes, runs on pump premium, dosent overheat, starts easily, and i drive it daily, year round, even in the rain and snow, i do not put it in my garage. And after driving it to the drag strip 80 miles away at 75 miles per hour, it runs 12.30@110 mph

505 ci Build
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Thanks MEV, that's a good build up too. I am curious about the cam, I've never used Straub, but it sounds as though you swear by them after the Comp Cams gaff. Can't blame you there. Thanks again, the more info I am getting, the easier it makes to compile a final idea for mine.
 
Davea Lux said:
Unless you want to spend a bunch of money fitting keyed lifters, stay with a flat tappet cam for street use. Most of the after market roller cams have cross linked lifters and the cross links break. That turns the roller sideways and cam is wiped instantly. The are a couple of threads about this happening with comp cams on this site. Roller cams are fine for strip use or in engines that had them as a OEM feature. They are nothing but trouble otherwise. On 93 octane, you should probably plan on staying at a compression ratio of 9.5, so plan you choice of heads and head gaskets accordingly.

As far as the choice in rpm range for the cam. A 505 is going to need plenty of feeding. You need to ask your self at what rpm range you want peak torque for starters. Once you have the cam dialed in for you performance range, you need to figure out how you are going to get rid of all that extra exhaust, a lot of factory high performance manifolds have been cracked because of the extra load. A cam with a 2k or more rpm range on the low end is going to need a higher stall speed for the torque convertor. If you are going to do that, you should plan on a transmission valve body upgrade as well. This would be a good time to do the high performance clutch packs and bands while you are at it.

A fan shroud and a 26" max cool style radiator are also going to be a must as well as a high flow t-stat. High volume water pump and housing should also be installed. You should also plan on installing a windage tray that is compatible with the stroker and a high volume oil pump.

Just a few things to think about.

Dave
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Dave,

Like Cbody67, you are always a wealth of knowledge my friend, thanks. I actually just upgraded my radiator setup to the 26" this past winter, so check there. Was definitely getting the windage tray, HV oil pump, HV water pump and a higher torque converter. As far as exhaust, I am probably looking at custom headers (which I know will dent the ol pocket book).

I honestly had no idea about the issue with the roller cams, wow. I think you just talked me into going back to the flat tappet. I noticed Howard's Cams have pretty good prices and I haven't heard the hit or miss rep about them that Comp seems to have. Not sure if this is because many people use Comp?

Mike
 
mikedrini said:
Sweet setup you got there man, I dig it. Did you end up switching out your gears from the 2.73? Just curious. I am hearing from everyone else (outside the forum) to consider the 2.94 or 3.23.
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No, I have not. The car is still very apart. I am not going to race it and really want drivability, so I am going try the 2.73 gears first and see how it is. From what others have said, I have a feeling that it might work for me.
 
Turboomni said:
mikedrini are you going to run headers or manifolds? I am researching my 512 build and want to keep 3.23 highway gears and power brakes etc. If you are going to run cast iron exhaust manifolds and have logs consider maybe a set of HP cast iron manifolds. They are a little bit better than logs and look pretty cool too. I will be running those and as a result am a bit worried about having too much cam,too much intake manifold,too much head flow and too much carb that the exhaust manifolds will be unable to flow enough to make these up stream parts work correctly because of the inherent restriction of cast iron manifolds compared to headers. To be efficient you should decide what your exhaust strategy is and work backwards from there cause you can have a big straw to blow in on one end but it is only as good as the size of the other end.
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Hey Turbo,

Good point, kinda tied right into what Dave was saying. The HP manifolds are definitely a consideration, but so are custom headers. Unfortunately my 64 was the final year right before C body production began, so TTI's won't fit. I was curious about the shorty style Hedman's HTC coated.

Mike
 
65Fury440 said:
It would be an interesting change of pace to see a max torque build.
A guy could start with a stroker bottom end, use TF 240s that flow so well in the lower to mid range, keep CR to about 10:1 and have one of the cam wizards grind a split pattern cam with extended exhaust duration to use logs.
If a guy could keep the RPMS on the lower side, he could use a stock or stockish convertor, fuel system, rear gears maybe in the 3.23 range, and something like a Performer RPM intake and a 750-800 CFM carb.
It wouldn't be out of reality to get 600-650 FT LBS of torque, and let HP fall where it may.
THAT would be interesting to watch.
(disclaimer, yours truly did NOT follow this build recipe, and it cost a lot of money to upgrade all the other systems, the old 509 cammed 440 with 906 heads was cheap and fun).
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Good point there. That's essentially what my builder was telling me to do while he was assembling my short block.
 
65Fury440 said:
Just looked, for a 4000+ lb car that is the ticket. Can't wait to see you get her on the road!
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Well she's out there now, took her to Maine and back for the 4th and she ran great. My old man thinks I should keep the 383 in there, but now that the 440 short block is assembled, NO TURNING BACK NOW. My wife might disagree..
 
stubs300 said:
Have you thought about asking 440 Source that question and seeing what they have to say and recommend? You'll get a better answer then here. Good Luck
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mikedrini said:
Hey Turbo,

Good point, kinda tied right into what Dave was saying. The HP manifolds are definitely a consideration, but so are custom headers. Unfortunately my 64 was the final year right before C body production began, so TTI's won't fit. I was curious about the shorty style Hedman's HTC coated.

Mike
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Doesn't TTI make shorty headers too?
 
I don't know, maybe worth a call since they do cater to old mopars in general.
 
stubs300 said:
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Source only carries Comp Cams (no thanks)
And they only 2 sizes applicable to a stroker in a hydraulic roller.
They also only carry 1 bolt cams in the SFT series.
Not saying that what they offer is a bad choice, but a guy that specs cams could probably get way closer on a case by case application
 
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