rd92west
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66 plymouth fender tag
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rd92west
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I cant seem to attach pictures.
I find a casting date code on the engine block of 9/9/65
The engine identification pad is stamped B 440
12 13
Looks to me that the original engine has survived
I find a casting date code on the engine block of 9/9/65
The engine identification pad is stamped B 440
12 13
Looks to me that the original engine has survived
Torky
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https://dodgecharger.org/cgi-bin/bodycode_1966.cgi Pretty good decoder for many '66 MoPars.
Torky
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Would love to have a pic of this car's fender tag. I'm collecting data to extend my decoder to '65'-66 Chryslers. This stick car will help. develop the decoder. VIN would help but not critical.
rd92west
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Torky
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Dunno if you ever got a decode, so here is one from my under construction decoder. I am stumped by the 3 under the capital "E". Does your car have any of these options? Headrests-R&L-533; AutoPilot-473; Bumper Guards F&R-483? The fender tag is an example of the original Ivory/Cream color. Really nice car. Thanks for posting--have a great week.
rd92west
plan C
Torky
No headrests
No auto pilot
No bumper guards
It has rear defogger, rear speaker and 4 way flashers. The flashers could be dealer installed???
This car was painted red in early 90s. A backyard barbecue job Lots of evidence of cream color. The paint shop messed up on mixing the color, the owner was going for the bright red PP1 he got a pinkish red. Some love it, I hate it.
At this point I have no plans of changing the color, but if I run out of things to do I might.
I prefer the cream over the red.
I really like the car. 440 4 speed 66 fury that survived, it puts a smile on my face whenever I drive it
My 4 speed car has E3 on its tag too.
It is an early order/build car.
I'm just guessing here, but i heard from an old greybeard Mopar person many years ago, that depending upon how early the build is, E3 on the tag may mean something like "Special order engine permission", because until they had enough 440 castings in stockpile to make motors out of, the 440 was reserved solely for Chrysler models. It wasn't until a few months in that 440s started to become more widely available in all the other models.
It is an early order/build car.
I'm just guessing here, but i heard from an old greybeard Mopar person many years ago, that depending upon how early the build is, E3 on the tag may mean something like "Special order engine permission", because until they had enough 440 castings in stockpile to make motors out of, the 440 was reserved solely for Chrysler models. It wasn't until a few months in that 440s started to become more widely available in all the other models.
rd92west
plan C
Ross,
I've herd similar stories.
The new for 66 440 was in short supply and the Chryslers and imperials were to get priority.
A unconfirmed story is that a dealer had to know someone up the Chrysler chain to get 440 in a Plymouth or Dodge.
It would be interesting to know for sure what the "E3" indicates
I've herd similar stories.
The new for 66 440 was in short supply and the Chryslers and imperials were to get priority.
A unconfirmed story is that a dealer had to know someone up the Chrysler chain to get 440 in a Plymouth or Dodge.
It would be interesting to know for sure what the "E3" indicates
Agreed.
rd92west
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I sent a email to Dave Wise, C body isn't his main focus but it never hurts to ask
69CoronetRT
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Known coding protocols say that’s an unlikely reason for E/3 as that scenario would be administrative and not related to a body modification as per usual coding parameters. There would be no reason to code it.
The location on the tag would also be unlikely as that area on the tag is used for modifications. IF the theory is close to true, any coding would more likely show up in the upper right hand corner with other administrative codes.
A more consistent and plausible explanation is that the Windsor plant sometimes had it own codes that do not synchronize with American plants so the code remains a mystery and difficult to research.
Does the broadcast sheet exist?
Torky
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Regarding E3: I have a possibly previous communication with you and a picture of a VIN tag beginning with PP23J69 and being stamped "MADE IN CANADA". Please advise if this is the tag for your car as E3 probably means something like " Cleaner Air Package-Canadian Specifications", as E1 is believed to mean "Cleaner Air Package-471". No telling what the USA and Canadian spec's were in 1965-66. Probably a PCV and possibly lower compression, sealed carburetor adjustments or even a different carb. --likely dictated by Kaliphornia. I see the PCV in one of the pix. If that is your VIN, please advise of what smog controls remain on the car. Thanks for advising of car contact. The code for rear window defogger is 418 and I don't see any extra 8's on the tag. 4-way flasher code is 646 and your car's tag has beaucoup 6's so I need to confirm my current codes and equipment on your car. a6-console-486, d6-Rear Seat Speaker-426, f6-Front Bumper Reveal Moulding-546 (This makes sense on a '66 Chrysler, but may mean something else like defogger. Does your car have any special exterior trim-like the spears on the doors?), p6-LH Outside Rear View Mirror-Remote Adjustable-536 (Is this what you have?), and Y6-Black Vinyl Top-506. Differentiating the 6's on '66 tags is Challengering. Making progress with your help. Special thanks. Have you ever dug around searching for a Production Broadcast sheet? Often found between springs and padding of back seat upright cushion. May or may not be produced at the Windsor plant. Example attached. Well worth the effort.
rd92west
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Torky,
Yes the vin number is my car.
Regarding PCV it's got non CAP system.
Yes to door spears
Yes to adjustable LH mirror
It has hood mount turn signal indicator lights
I peaked in with a camera and looked for broadcast sheet. Didn't see one.
Yes the vin number is my car.
Regarding PCV it's got non CAP system.
Yes to door spears
Yes to adjustable LH mirror
It has hood mount turn signal indicator lights
I peaked in with a camera and looked for broadcast sheet. Didn't see one.
Torky
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Thanks. Now, please educate me. what is a non CAP system?
rd92west
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CAP system has a hose from a air cleaner snorkle that goes to the oil fill cap on the valve cover. Vacuum draws air from the snorkel.
Non CAP system does not have this hose, vacuum pulls air thru the oil fill cap
Non CAP system does not have this hose, vacuum pulls air thru the oil fill cap
Torky
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Thank you. Part of this query was to determine the difference between the common E1 and less common E3 on the fender tag. Research may continue but I'm sensing that the Canadian and/or other states have different rules and designs for handling the crankcase blowby gases. I am now wondering why connecting the air inlet cap to the snorkle makes any sense. I have seen where the dirty gases from the PCV are routed to the snorkle or inlet side of the air cleaner--possibly to keep any non gaseous gunk from entering the engine. I remember having to clean filter pads when there was just a hose connection from the draft tube to the side of an air cleaner. The outside ring of the full air cleaner element also had a lot of deposits in the area close to the crankcase vapor/gunk inlet. In the olden days, there was always a black oily streak visible on the right hand side of the lanes of light-colored concrete highways where the draft tubes just dropped the gunk to the road. The draft tubes were designed and placed to create a slight vacuum on the crankcase. There was a design progression to get control of the nasty crankcase emissions. Different states and countries no doubt had their own rules. Bottom line: I'm coding E1 as "Cleaner-Air Package" and E3 as "Cleaner Air Package II" until better information develops.
Like Lt. Columbo--just one more question. Need to confirm bucket seats and whether either or both powered.
Torky
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Never mind. I see from the driver's bucket is manual. Thanks for hanging in there with me. I see it has been five years to get this decoded. I'm still unclear on f6. The Production Broadcast sheet only calls 546 "Bumper Reveal Moulding" and that works for Chryslers.
rd92west
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Now you talking chev
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