Am i missing something here?
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That car is a little north of me. I think I remember seeing the car somewhere along the line... Not burnt, obviously.
Many years ago, I stored a Maroon automatic Hemi Charger for a friend for a few months.... I could have bought the car for $4000! Turn key and pretty nice. That was a good price back then, but it might as well have been a million bucks at the time... I couldn't afford $400, let alone $4000.
Many years ago, I stored a Maroon automatic Hemi Charger for a friend for a few months.... I could have bought the car for $4000! Turn key and pretty nice. That was a good price back then, but it might as well have been a million bucks at the time... I couldn't afford $400, let alone $4000.
tbm3fan
Old Man with a Hat
Yes, yes, yes
bluefury361
Old Man with a Hat
Still, a Hemi Charger is a Hemi Charger, but if they re-body it, won't it really be a clone?
But a "rebody" is to actually repair something that has been destroyed, or damaged, by replacing the damaged area. Weather it be a bumper or body, nothing was created that didn't already exist.
That being said .... A rebodied vehicle will affect the value and should always be represented as a rebody.
Just my thoughts.
Tricky subject ........ A clone, or tribute is the creation of something that never existed.
But a "rebody" is to actually repair something that has been destroyed, or damaged, by replacing the damaged area. Weather it be a bumper or body, nothing was created that didn't already exist.
That being said .... A rebodied vehicle will affect the value and should always be represented as a rebody.
Just my thoughts.
MrMoparCHP
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A re-body is illegal if you are talking about transferring the numbers, tag and title to some other shell.
Yes it is done all the time but that doesn't change the fact that it is against the law.
Now how little of the car must you keep? I do not think there is an official (50 state) rule on this.
Alan
Yes it is done all the time but that doesn't change the fact that it is against the law.
Now how little of the car must you keep? I do not think there is an official (50 state) rule on this.
Alan
polara71
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Speeding is illegal, we all do it
70NPORT
Old Man with a Hat
The whole affair is idiotic. A roasted car with a trashed interior and vintage drivetrain is all I see.
commando1
Old Man with a Hat
I have no problem to buying a VIN to get a car on the road. If it beats the BS of gum'mint bureaucracy that defies common sense, you do what you have to do.
If you buy a VIN to pass off a high buck car to a sucker, well, that's a whole different story.
If you buy a VIN to pass off a high buck car to a sucker, well, that's a whole different story.
I don't mind a rebody if the seller openly sells it as a "rebody" and not the typical "numbers matching Hemi survivor".
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Numbers matching doesn't get me too excited but there's obviously a market for it. Not much different than replacing each rusty panel one at a time.
patrick66
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That is the definition of a "phantom". A "clone" or "tribute" (either way, a FAKE) is the creation of something to replicate or resemble something that DID exist, or currently exists. A "phantom" is a "one-of-none". ANY 426-powered station wagon, a '71 SuperBird, or a '69 440+6 Dodge D100 pickup would all be examples of a "phantom" build, since Chrysler never built any of these. Taking the numbers off the burnt shell and "restoring" a donor body is called "fraud".
bluefury361
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It would be a fraud only if represented as being original .
If one subjects a legitment car to a rotessory restro including replacing trunk/floor pans, 1/4's, fenders, interior etc. ...... Would that car be concidered a fraud ....? If so then there are a bunch of fradulant cars out there.
It's not uncommon for the tags & numbers on restorations of this level to be removed and reinstalled. If reinstalled on a different but identical and original panel ..... is this a fraud....?
Like I said, it's a tricky subject. Not really illegal unless represented as being original. But then even a moron can detect a redone car as not being a survivor.
MrMoparCHP
Old Man with a Hat
I was told by the CHP themself that even removing the VIN tag from the dash pad and putting it on a new dash pad was a no-no even if it was going back in the same vehicle.
Alan
Alan
patrick66
Old Man with a Hat
Swapping numbers is illegal, period. No matter how you try to justify or define it.
There was a guy on the OKC CL recently that was selling a "1969 Dart GTS 340 4-speed"...dashboard! Which came with the VIN plate and the fender tag. It was flagged immediately. Did he sell his $800 dash? Who knows? Would YOU want to buy that car, once this dash and fender tag "appeared" during the build? I doubt it.
There was a guy on the OKC CL recently that was selling a "1969 Dart GTS 340 4-speed"...dashboard! Which came with the VIN plate and the fender tag. It was flagged immediately. Did he sell his $800 dash? Who knows? Would YOU want to buy that car, once this dash and fender tag "appeared" during the build? I doubt it.
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It's the "Ship of Theseus".
"The ship wherein Theseus and the youth of Athens returned from Crete had thirty oars, and was preserved by the Athenians down even to the time of Demetrius Phalerus, for they took away the old planks as they decayed, putting in new and stronger timber in their place, in so much that this ship became a standing example among the philosophers for the logical question of things that grow; one side holding that the ship remained the same, and the other contending that it was not the same."
—Plutarch
Or the more simpler George Washington's axe. The handle has been replaced three times and the head twice. Is it still George Washington's axe?
This stuff happens a LOT more in the hobby than every thinks it does. It also happens as a way to make a non valuable car more "valuable" on paper.... right before the fire.
"The ship wherein Theseus and the youth of Athens returned from Crete had thirty oars, and was preserved by the Athenians down even to the time of Demetrius Phalerus, for they took away the old planks as they decayed, putting in new and stronger timber in their place, in so much that this ship became a standing example among the philosophers for the logical question of things that grow; one side holding that the ship remained the same, and the other contending that it was not the same."
—Plutarch
Or the more simpler George Washington's axe. The handle has been replaced three times and the head twice. Is it still George Washington's axe?
This stuff happens a LOT more in the hobby than every thinks it does. It also happens as a way to make a non valuable car more "valuable" on paper.... right before the fire.
There you go. If Plutarch, Plato, etc. didn't get it hammered out... Well, just consider the brain trust on this site.
patrick66
Old Man with a Hat
Maybe they didn't have any sense, either. This ain't hard.
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