Electronic ignition conversion tips

Im not sure what do at this point. I've got some homework for sure. Now leaning towards the Summit set up. Or maybe I'll just leave well enough alone. The cars been running 60 years on points. The information and user experience has been amazing. I'll have to let you all know what I ended up with.

Anyone besieged with pop up adds ? This is beyond annoying !!!
 
Hi Evetyone

I'd like to convert my 65 Newport to electronic ignition. Anyone out there who recommend what type system to get. Want to make conversion as discreet as possible. More reliable than retaining points I hear, better starting etc ?

Thanks
Tim
Get yourself the Pertronix unit and coil, jump out your ballast resistor. Discreet and reliable. Have three cars set up that way and have had no problems.
 
I've noticed (not mine cars) a lot of the Mopars I've worked on are missing the engine to firewall ground wire and sometimes the ground wire from the negative battery terminal to radiator yoke. And these are the Mopars that have ignition and light problems. Hmmm...
 
I have done over 20 conversions on my various vehicles and have used kits from Mopar, Summit, Ehrenberg, and Mancini. I even have one of the Mopar Performance (Direct Connection) MSD boxes. The latter is currently on my '61 Newport. It doesn't matter which of the above you use. They all work. The complete kit is the simplest and least confusing for a first timer. Follow the instructions and get the kit for your motor as the distributors have different lengths due to the B vs RB height/width difference.

Ground, ground, ground!

Given the nature of today's electronics I always carry an additional brain box as a get home backup.

Given that I put regular daily driving use to some of these vehicles, and cross country trailer towing use as well as pleasure usage to others, failure is not an option.

The vacuum advance on these units are adjustable and most of us set them at 32-36 degrees of advance. A good timing light will be needed to set that, and a good ear as you listen for ignition knock. Leaving the advance as set when you installed the distributor works well, and you need not adjust it unless you want to find that extra sweet spot for your particular motor.

Here are the failures that I have had over the last 40 years. Module failure (brain box) x 3. Pick up unit in distributor x 1. Shorted distributor lead to box (wore through on rough intake casting due to vibration) x 1. Bad ignition ballast resistor x 1.

In my various 70's factory electronic ignition cars I have had resistor failure (dual resistor) x 4. They were prone to it. Module x 2.

These vehicles were used from 2,000- 15,000 miles per year, and in some cases were on the road 8-10 hours a day. In fact in the 90's I used a really nice 68 Chrysler to pull our hardtop trailer to the west coast and back as part of a family vacation. Not a single problem.

So, pick your supplier and get to it.

Regarding the Chevy and HEI stuff,...just can't bring myself to do it. My late Dad used to call GM "the dent of excellence". Guess he left a lasting impression.

Happy motoring.
 
Hi Evetyone

I'd like to convert my 65 Newport to electronic ignition. Anyone out there who recommend what type system to get. Want to make conversion as discreet as possible. More reliable than retaining points I hear, better starting etc ?

Thanks
Tim
The Pertronix system allows you to use your existing distributor which meets your request to be "discreet" which I assume means as stock looking as possible. In some cases, you can use the stock coil too. One extra wire that can be hidden in some shrink tube to the other wire for a stock single wire look.
 
Thanks again for all the advice. I did mean keeping a stock appearance when I wrote "discreet", poor choice of words there. Like the sound of the Pentronics set up. While I figure out, I'll leave things be on the car. Other winter projects right now but the ignition upgrade is climbing the list.
 
Keep in mind that the Mopar factory electronic ignition requires one wire to the "Run" side of the ballast resistor. Everything can be "hidden" if necessary. Mopar or no car!!
 
Ground, ground, ground!
It never gets old seeing just how many electrical gremlins go away simply by doing nothing else but cleaning up the grounds.
I know OP wanted a stock look to it, but I can vouch for the FBO box, doing a 2 bbl to 4 bbl swap, engine starts and runs great, using it with a fresh mopar electronic dizzy from Rick Ehrenberg. I actually bought his electronic ignition kit which had the hi rev 7500 ECU, but sold that ECU and got the FBO box because it had an adjustable rev limiter. The ECU wiring and plug in Rick's kit was perfectly long enough that I could sit the ECU right next to the battery.
Unfortunately, if you do use the FBO box, you're basically locked to the Pertronix 40011 coil, which for you guys in the US isn't really a problem what with how many retailers sell them and how cheap they are there, but here in oz, the cheapest I've found so far was from Amazon, which means we have to be Bezos enablers for this one lol. Otherwise, any aussies reading this, you're looking at more than double if buying from a local retailer.
That being said, the FBO box does come with a five year warranty which is great, people have said that they do honour it and are very great to deal with too. I know a decade or two ago these boxes were rather iffy, as people have opened their older black boxes up to reveal what appeared to be a GM HEI unit inside, but it appears that the aluminium units use their own solid state circuitry since at least 2015 or so. It does seem to get updated or revised every now and then, as the pic on the website of the innards shows 'rev 4' in the corner and I've seen older posts on this forum showing pics from their website, but it said 'rev 2' in the same spot.
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You can see the corrugated split sleeve tubing covering the wire going between the dizzy connector (just behind the radiator hose). I had initially planned on bolting the ECU to the firewall just between the brake booster and wiper motor in the above pic, but the length of wire that came with Rick's ECU kit meant that the only suitable spot was right beside the battery, as the lengths of wire could perfectly reach both the ballast resistor connectors, and the dizzy's connector. Was glad I bought their jumper wire kit too, as it also comes with piggyback spade connectors so it can stay held down to the ballast resistor for better resistance against vibration.
 
That's a good reason to stay with points.

The downside of points is that good condensers are getting harder to find.
Since the Ambassador is still using points then as soon as it got the car I did a search for NOS and old OEM points and condensers. Was able to to acquire 5 sets for the AMC and while at it four sets for Fords in case. The points in that AMC run just fine.

I'll keep my mouth shut about Pertronix II and HEI.
 
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