OzMan
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Is this hole original? If so,what is it for? Appreciate any help. Thanks
Factory or Not?
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'66 Fury I
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Early wheels were retained by lug bolts and the hub and had a locating pin that registered with the hole in the rim. Lindsay
OzMan
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Would that be correct for a 71? This wheel was from a 71 New Yorker.
OzMan
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I have 5 of these wheels and it's the only one that has the hole
There was nothing on the car, rotor or drum-wise that involved that hole. I cant remember if it was involved with the jack storage or something similar....maybe i can find the storage instructions. The car had full wheel covers but not a heavy style, so they weren't involved with that locator hole either.
HTH, Lefty
HTH, Lefty
OzMan
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Looks like some E-Body space savers had it
My old 71 newport had one hole in one of the wheels.
My 73 imperial spare does not have the hole.
OzMan
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Guessing it's a spare and hole is to mount the jack,or secure the wheel in the trunk
68PK21 440.6bbl
Old Man with a Hat
Agree with that. What are the stamped date codes by the valve stem?
OzMan
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My 4 matching wheels are made by Motor Wheel with 7 digit part number. The 5th wheel with hole is Kelsey Hayes. I'll get pics of stampings.
MrMoparCHP
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In looking for a wheel for my 69 I found that the 69s didn't have the hold but the 70s did on the same wheel (by part number)
Alan
Alan
OzMan
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Pictures of Stampings
Ive read that extra hole can be to offset the weight lost by drilling the valve stem hole. You often find the mystery hole is 180 out from the valve stem hole, as in your ebody space saver spare pic. I dont know if theres any truth to it. I did not find any supporting info regarding the jack or spare stowage.
69PHOENIX
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Hi Fellas, Had a 64 Chrysler Royal with the Key Way Axles & Threaded Wheel Bolts. (Not Nuts)
The Brake Drums All had a Pin Mounted in the Drum That Assisted the Fitting the Wheel.
Use your Imagination and Try to Fit a Wheel & Tyre With Nothing to Hang it On.
Bit of a Bugger, So the Pin was a Great Help.
(Oh for the Days of My Youth)
Once They Went Away From the Wheel Bolts, From What I See Around 1960 in the States, the Pin was No Longer Needed.
The Chrysler Royals in the Mystical Land of OZ were Basically the Last "Using Up" of All the Left Over Parts / Running Gear of the Yankee 56 Plymouths
Regards Tony.M
The Brake Drums All had a Pin Mounted in the Drum That Assisted the Fitting the Wheel.
Use your Imagination and Try to Fit a Wheel & Tyre With Nothing to Hang it On.
Bit of a Bugger, So the Pin was a Great Help.
(Oh for the Days of My Youth)
Once They Went Away From the Wheel Bolts, From What I See Around 1960 in the States, the Pin was No Longer Needed.
The Chrysler Royals in the Mystical Land of OZ were Basically the Last "Using Up" of All the Left Over Parts / Running Gear of the Yankee 56 Plymouths
Regards Tony.M
Jakter
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On any of my cars with wheel bolts I buy a 3" long bolt same as the wheel bolts and cut the head off the bolt, cut a slot for a screwdriver and slide the wheel over the bolt.
While the little stub on the drums serves it's purpose once the rim is on the 3" bolt it won't slip off like it can on the little factory stub.
I felt if I ever had to change a flat in the dark on the side of the road I want to get out of there as soon as possible.
While the little stub on the drums serves it's purpose once the rim is on the 3" bolt it won't slip off like it can on the little factory stub.
I felt if I ever had to change a flat in the dark on the side of the road I want to get out of there as soon as possible.
Torky
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Pre-56. LH threads on LH pf the vehicle.
fury fan
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The hole would NOT be specific for mounting a spare wheel in the trunk (unless perhaps the space-saver/inflator bottle) because after you have a flat, or rotated the tires on the 5-tire pattern, the one going into the trunk wouldn't have that feature and it would mean something wouldn't install the same as the factory did. That would change form-fit-function, which would then dictate a different part# for the spare wheel, which would then be a logistical nightmare for sorting the correct wheel/tire assy to the trunk-installation part of the assy line. (if the space-saver wheel has a different part#, that hole might be the reason)
If the hole was used for mounting in the trunk, all 5 wheels would've been stamped with that hole.
While it's logical that the hole is to offset the hole for the valve stem, the valve stem offsets some (if not all) of the weight of its punched hole, so I don't think think it is there specifically for that purpose.
The hole could be there as a locator for putting the disc into the hoop for welding the wheel assy, and then logically the hoop would be placed with the valvestem hole opposite of that in a corresponding fixture. Yes, assembling the wheel could be done using one of the 5 lugnut holes as a locator, but that would then permit 5 variations on wheel assembly )not desirable), unless some other visual/tradition process control was used (not foolproof).
My hunch is that perhaps 1 vendor had tooling to punch that extra hole to use it in their assy processing. Other (prior?) vendor didn't and had a different technique.
Wheel part# would not need to change, as the form-fit-function of the wheel is not changed in its use on the car, nor would the FSMs need to mention it.
If there were any QC issues or recall amongst the population of same-part# wheels, the manufacturer's stampings/dates in the hoop then become the sorting criteria.
If the hole was used for mounting in the trunk, all 5 wheels would've been stamped with that hole.
While it's logical that the hole is to offset the hole for the valve stem, the valve stem offsets some (if not all) of the weight of its punched hole, so I don't think think it is there specifically for that purpose.
The hole could be there as a locator for putting the disc into the hoop for welding the wheel assy, and then logically the hoop would be placed with the valvestem hole opposite of that in a corresponding fixture. Yes, assembling the wheel could be done using one of the 5 lugnut holes as a locator, but that would then permit 5 variations on wheel assembly )not desirable), unless some other visual/tradition process control was used (not foolproof).
My hunch is that perhaps 1 vendor had tooling to punch that extra hole to use it in their assy processing. Other (prior?) vendor didn't and had a different technique.
Wheel part# would not need to change, as the form-fit-function of the wheel is not changed in its use on the car, nor would the FSMs need to mention it.
If there were any QC issues or recall amongst the population of same-part# wheels, the manufacturer's stampings/dates in the hoop then become the sorting criteria.
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