FOUR 1970 300-H / HURSTS on auction all at no reserve!!

[cm23uoc]

I saved several pic for further application and i noticed that theses 4 hurt are in some point all diffrents.. this is very interesting because it shows that :
1- either some cars have been restored or partially restored with more or less success
2- the cars where randomly assembled sorry to say that. but drive wheels are diffrent, painting are diffrent, option of course..

Some cars have the trunk paint ( meybe restored ? ) and other half, and another one not at all, what is the right thing ?
Some cars have "slim" decals and other" large " one ( i suppose it is a poor reproduction ) and an approximative paint scheme.
4 have decals on the side and one seems to have body trim + decals on it ( very interesting first time i see this )

The console shift car with the cornering lights is the Benchmark IMHO and seems to be unrestored. The black overspray partially seen in the engine compartment is just Ziebart protection btw. What it misses after These decades are the Polyglas tires of course.

 

[68PK21 440.6bbl]

Who'da Hell attaches the ground cable to the exhaust manifold? Oh yea only a moron, prob the same moron the buys this one with all the key rash on the steering column believing it's a 38,601 mile car.

Lot # D19-438

 

[Xavi3r]

I followed the sales :
436 : 34000 USA ( + 6800* )
437 : 24500 USA ( + 5000 )*
438 : 23500 USA ( + 5000 )*
439 : 21500 ( internet ) (+4200 )*

*(+ around 23% fees )
So from to 40k to 26k. Without the fees, prices are very cheap to me. there were good car with no body work, expect paint scheme for some.
the last one, if the buyer is in europe there is 4K$ to add.
So a good hurst is 30/40K$ now.

 

[polara71]

I followed the sales :
436 : 34000 USA ( + 6800* )
437 : 24500 USA ( + 5000 )*
438 : 23500 USA ( + 5000 )*
439 : 21500 ( internet ) (+4200 )*

*(+ around 23% fees )
So from to 40k to 26k. Without the fees, prices are very cheap to me. there were good car with no body work, expect paint scheme for some.
the last one, if the buyer is in europe there is 4K$ to add.
So a good hurst is 30/40K$ now.

Which is in line since a good GT is 25 - 40

 

[330dTA]

So the console car (#439) went for 25K USD, and the nut-and-bolt restored ”only one sold new in Canada” (#262) for 40.8K USD? Interesting.

 

[cm23uoc]

Unless there were no unknown major issues, the console car would have been the one to have for me option wise and original condition wise. Shiny engine compartments seem to be more important.
The Canadian car seems to be the nicest resto with best Attention to detail.

And the metric gullwing Challenger was bid to 40k.

 

[cantflip]

Yes. All four were at Kissimmee last year. I know the owner somewhat. He said to me "They kinda find me and follow me around." with a laugh. He's a broker/flipper for all sorts of collector cars, decent sort of guy. He's not much a mechanical repair guy, but he's hell with 1500 grit and a buffer.

One of the cars is the restored beauty we saw in this article, where the seller was asking $85K or so on eBay: https://www.streetmusclemag.com/news/rare-rides-the-1970-chrysler-300-hurst/ It reached about $56K at Kissimmee last year and the seller didn't release the reserve price. Same car was at Indy 2019, no sale at $45K.

Of the other three, one is "pretty good" and the other two need some work, being FAR from showcar condition. None are total junk. I have many detail pictures of all four, but don't know which is which, as that didn't matter to me. I was building a reference collection of pics for use with my car.

That $66k that Hagerty mentioned for the 2018 car? The gavel would have been $60K. The additional $6K of that (10 percent) is the buyer's premium fee.

My car gaveled at $51K at Mecum Indy 2018 when the reserve came off, making it $56,100 with fee. I feel that's the basic going rate for one of these cars in top visual and mechanical condition. I think the restoration problem with the Hursts is that if you buy one in "$16K condition", you have 3+ years and $50+K worth of body and unique paint/stripe work on your hands, assuming the unobtainable glass hood and roof is in good shape and assuming you're not chasing the typical mechanical, AC and electrical woes....add $5-10K for that as we all know. Or the unique wheel paint job. Or restoring the Imperial interior vs. a 300 interior. It could really add up if you buy any of the heaps we've seen over the last 9 months.

So, I think that's why we see about 10 cars floating around the $55-65K mark, with the rest at $20K or much less for the heaps. The step-up cost to reach a nice showcar status is pretty steep. If you're not interested in the showcar aspect, you'd most likely choose a very nice 300 and happily enjoy it without the Hurst livery. After all, they're all the same at heart!

My two-cents, anyway.

I don't think this went according to plan for the seller...

 

[hergfest]

Seems about the market price too me even if the seller was disappointed I'm sure. At some point you have to cut your losses and get rid of inventory.

 

[DonC]

Who'da Hell attaches the ground cable to the exhaust manifold? Oh yea only a moron, prob the same moron the buys this one with all the key rash on the steering column believing it's a 38,601 mile car.

Lot # D19-438

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What a Maroon!

 

[65MonacoND]

As a Hurst owner, if you don’t think they are rare, try and find parts for them lol. Especially if you are doing a restoration like I am attempting.

I watch the cars for sale pretty closely and I would wager there’s only about 25 of them out there that keep changing hands due to people buy them and then realize afterwards that a restoration of one is a labor of love and years of hunting for good parts. Thus, they go back up for sale. I will never recoup my money in my car but that’s not why I am rebuilding it. I enjoy the work and it is a good way to take my mind off my regular job.

It’s fairly insulting the way many of you run our cars down. I own mine because I enjoy the look and oddities of it. Same as I do for my 6 barrel Fury. As a matter of fact that’s what I like about C bodies in general. They are different from the norm at shows and just plain fun to drive. I don’t feel my cars are better than anyone else’s due to their rarity. Hell the derby crowd made all our cars rare nowadays. I enjoy visiting and learning about all the different C bodies. I don’t see any reason we need to run people’s choices in c bodies down.

 

[LocuMob]

As a Hurst owner, if you don’t think they are rare, try and find parts for them lol. Especially if you are doing a restoration like I am attempting.

I watch the cars for sale pretty closely and I would wager there’s only about 25 of them out there that keep changing hands due to people buy them and then realize afterwards that a restoration of one is a labor of love and years of hunting for good parts. Thus, they go back up for sale. I will never recoup my money in my car but that’s not why I am rebuilding it. I enjoy the work and it is a good way to take my mind off my regular job.

It’s fairly insulting the way many of you run our cars down. I own mine because I enjoy the look and oddities of it. Same as I do for my 6 barrel Fury. As a matter of fact that’s what I like about C bodies in general. They are different from the norm at shows and just plain fun to drive. I don’t feel my cars are better than anyone else’s due to their rarity. Hell the derby crowd made all our cars rare nowadays. I enjoy visiting and learning about all the different C bodies. I don’t see any reason we need to run people’s choices in c bodies down.

I still can't wait to see your car at Mopars in the Park. Will it be there next year?

 

[cantflip]

As a Hurst owner, if you don’t think they are rare, try and find parts for them lol. Especially if you are doing a restoration like I am attempting.

I watch the cars for sale pretty closely and I would wager there’s only about 25 of them out there that keep changing hands due to people buy them and then realize afterwards that a restoration of one is a labor of love and years of hunting for good parts. Thus, they go back up for sale. I will never recoup my money in my car but that’s not why I am rebuilding it. I enjoy the work and it is a good way to take my mind off my regular job.

It’s fairly insulting the way many of you run our cars down. I own mine because I enjoy the look and oddities of it. Same as I do for my 6 barrel Fury. As a matter of fact that’s what I like about C bodies in general. They are different from the norm at shows and just plain fun to drive. I don’t feel my cars are better than anyone else’s due to their rarity. Hell the derby crowd made all our cars rare nowadays. I enjoy visiting and learning about all the different C bodies. I don’t see any reason we need to run people’s choices in c bodies down.

Don't feel bad... it's not the cars most folks are hating, it's all the sales action. Many of us hate to see the flippers trying to redefine the pricing of cars we love and the treatment of the cars... used car lot shine up tricks and fixes, without any concern for actually making it a better car than when you found it.

We will always find love for a car that is getting loved, especially when loved for what it is, rather than another attempt to make one what it never was. I halfassed wanted one of these Hurst builds ever since I first heard about them... probably sometime in the 90's and from some publication. I never stumbled across one at a price and condition I was prepared to take on, and that ship sailed for me long ago... if I had to have a Fusie, I'd be happier with a convertible and wouldn't even need it to be a 300.

Watching those 4 cars sell for what they did brought me a little joy and the hope that one more idiot has gotten out of the flipping C Bodies game. I like watching cars that got priced out of my reach in the 80's and 90's, falling back into a reality I could live with. Death of the hobby? I hope not. The end of one form of insanity, where $$ was all that mattered, I can live with.

 

[polara71]

As a Hurst owner, if you don’t think they are rare, try and find parts for them lol. Especially if you are doing a restoration like I am attempting.

I watch the cars for sale pretty closely and I would wager there’s only about 25 of them out there that keep changing hands due to people buy them and then realize afterwards that a restoration of one is a labor of love and years of hunting for good parts. Thus, they go back up for sale. I will never recoup my money in my car but that’s not why I am rebuilding it. I enjoy the work and it is a good way to take my mind off my regular job. .

That describes probably most of our cars on this board. There are only a few Hurst specific parts all of which we've seen available over the last several years.
For me when I was a lad, I wanted a Hurst Chrysler. I had an opportunity at the ACD / Kruse event in Auburn Indiana in 1998. One was there for $8,000. but I was hunting for Dodge C bodies. My desire to own one since had dwindled drastically .

I still appreciate them but the only one I covet as better than other Cs is the Hurst convertible and that is because of the provenance.

 

[Fratzog]

It’s fairly insulting the way many of you run our cars down.

I've thought about this unfortunate common phenomena. As a C Body owner I've gone through that phase of being dismayed at the lack of respect for our cars particularly within the Mopar crowd. Within our own group IMHO some people have C Bodies because "that's all I can afford at this time" or as a stepping stone to move on to "real" collector cars when funds permit. I'm over my dismay and reconciled with the fact 90% of people in the hobby simply don't get full sized cars of any kind as collector cars. My theory is that humans have a hard wired evolutionary trait through group natural selection to conform to norms so anything outside the norm is inherently rejected. Due to natural variations in this trait (that allow for evolutionary change) our C Body community is a small minority of folks that are able to buck this typical tendency. Put simply I'm reconciled to the fact that in the short term at least most people won't value our cars and I'm good with that. Long term who knows. I've characterised our community as the Rodney Dangerfields of the hobby.

 

[detmatt]

They are neat cars I would never deny that.

 

[FK3 Sport Fury]

I think the seller shot himself in the foot by having 4 of those cars in his inventory and then at auction all at once.Big part of the motivation for a lot of classic car buyers is the FOMO (fear of missing out) like you might not see another one of that particular car come up for sale again so you better grab it before it gets snapped up and put away in a collectors garage and never to be seen again.Seeing four of them in the same place makes them seem pretty common even though they are pretty scarce.
Also,in this internet age,it seems like you can find several for sale at any one time even though several of the ads that will come up are outdated or are for the same car on different sites.
Just my 2c worth.

 

[LocuMob]

If I had a dream garage, I'd have one of these.

 

[polara71]

If I had a dream garage, I'd have one of these.

It's not high on the list however, what, top 20?

 

[67-Fury]

Not to keep bringing this up, but boy this cable really Chaps my ***. He can spend 5,6, 700 dollars on headers, not to mention a engine rebuild, but he can't get a New or NOS Negative cable??? I mean, just look at this thing. Blue wire? Terminal end looks like it's been chewed on by a dog. Not even bolted where it should be. If people want the most amount for these vehicles, then they need to pay attention to the details.

 

[HWYCRZR]

Not to keep bringing this up, but boy this cable really Chaps my ***. He can spend 5,6, 700 dollars on headers, not to mention a engine rebuild, but he can't get a New or NOS Negative cable??? I mean, just look at this thing. Blue wire? Terminal end looks like it's been chewed on by a dog. Not even bolted where it should be. If people want the most amount for these vehicles, then they need to pay attention to the details.

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I agree with the crappy cable, but where is the correct location to bolt it to? On my '68 Polara 383 2 bbl it has been attached to the long stud on the (Stock)exhaust manifold ever since I can remember. Manifold secured with nut, negative batter cable, nut.
I did some manual searching and bulletin searching, and I don't find any reference to this connection. Was this the right location in '68, but changed by 70? I would like to see some early reference material showing the correct location.