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67newport
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The Avro Vulcan has a distinctive howl at times.
Here’s the backstory:
According to Vulcan to the Sky, the howl is unique to the 200 series airframes, flying at 87% to 95% power. It is caused by about 220 lbs (100 kilograms) of air per second being sucked through its air intakes: a square opening that leads to a smaller oval hole, and then a smaller round hole.
The F-104 Starfighter also has a howl. Don’t know why.
The F-4 too:
And the F/A-18 Hornet:
Here’s the backstory:
According to Vulcan to the Sky, the howl is unique to the 200 series airframes, flying at 87% to 95% power. It is caused by about 220 lbs (100 kilograms) of air per second being sucked through its air intakes: a square opening that leads to a smaller oval hole, and then a smaller round hole.
The F-104 Starfighter also has a howl. Don’t know why.
The F-4 too:
And the F/A-18 Hornet:
dunno context of this pic, but I infer from the plane's reputation, these fellas (or they are repairmen highlighting the beating the F4 could take and keep flying) flew/landed it with its a** nearly shot off.
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Might have been the air crew.
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Sad video about the loss of 33 lives in the accidental crash of a B-36 and a B-29 search and rescue aircraft.
Interestingly, the aircraft was stationed at Rapid City Air Force Base.
Onboard was Brigadier General Richard Ellsworth.
As Paul Harvey used to say “and now you know the rest of the story…”
Interestingly, the aircraft was stationed at Rapid City Air Force Base.
Onboard was Brigadier General Richard Ellsworth.
As Paul Harvey used to say “and now you know the rest of the story…”
Never knew this ... and im old (tho not as old as this incident in 1953). Thanks for posting it.
For inquiring minds: Burgoynes Cove B-36 Crash.
i feel several ways about this. Sorry. Min-rant coming.
It is a gravesite. Accessible in a way that most memorials aren't ... darn plane is still there. Yeah, so is the Arizona ... but you cant dive on it/rummage through it. Yep, the Peacemaker's crew bodies are long recovered (as best they could i guess given the terrain/carnage), or deteriorated (to extent - without being too macabre - a thorough recovery could not be accomplished in such a high impact, mangled mess of razor-sharp metal?)
second, 70+ years later, its all still there for the most part. Why hasn't in all these years the US commissioned a flock of Sikorskis and recycling bins, some military folks, and get it? Difficult, expensive, but not like its underwater (ala TWA_Flight_800). Guess they have their reasons.
third, that site is still dangerous to tourist traffic. one mis-step/tumble, or just old/clumsy like me, and lacerate a major/minor blood vessel, you're hours from life-saving help.
last - nerd alert - what a remarkable glacial terrain. Residual effects on the landscape everywhere from 20,000+ years ago withen it under kilometers-deep ice). And its a beautiful, scenic place, tragedy notwithstanding.
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In the video, he states that all of the remains were not recovered.Never knew this ... and im old (tho not as old as this incident in 1953). Thanks for posting it.
For inquiring minds: Burgoynes Cove B-36 Crash.
i feel several ways about this. Sorry. Min-rant coming.
It is a gravesite. Accessible in a way that most memorials aren't ... darn plane is still there. Yeah, so is the Arizona ... but you cant dive on it/rummage through it. Yep, the Peacemaker's crew bodies are long recovered (as best they could i guess given the terrain/carnage), or deteriorated (to extent - without being too macabre - a thorough recovery could not be accomplished in such a high impact, mangled mess of razor-sharp metal?)
second, 70+ years later, its all still there for the most part. Why hasn't in all these years the US commissioned a flock of Sikorskis and recycling bins, some military folks, and get it? Difficult, expensive, but not like its underwater (ala TWA_Flight_800). Guess they have their reasons.
third, that site is still dangerous to tourist traffic. one mis-step/tumble, or just old/clumsy like me, and lacerate a major/minor blood vessel, you're hours from life-saving help.
last - nerd alert - what a remarkable glacial terrain. Residual effects on the landscape everywhere from 20,000+ years ago withen it under kilometers-deep ice). And its a beautiful, scenic place, tragedy notwithstanding.
(He also refers to the material as aluminum and it’s magnesium).
I agree with you about the site being a memorial. I was glad to see that there was a memorial statue, though.
67newport
Old Man with a Hat
Magnificent boat.
The Wilfred Sykes is one of the last of the classic old freighters still plying the Great Lakes.
On the lakes: Wilfred Sykes
Magnificent boat.
The Wilfred Sykes is one of the last of the classic old freighters still plying the Great Lakes.
On the lakes: Wilfred Sykes
The Wilfred Sykes led to the Henry Steinbrenner. Yes, George's great grandad's boat. Lake Superior cliamed it in 1953, and they finally found it in 750 feet of water in 2023. 70 years lost.
Built 1901. Dunno when all these pcs ares, but it looks remarkably "modern" ... pilot house/crew cabins upfront, long expanse of holds, when engine/stack house.
Hold covers were original design of turn of the century .. the covers "telescoped" in sections which made them NOT very watertight. Storm waves swamped it and down she went. Full of iron ore.
source: Harrowing stories resurface in newly discovered Lake Superior shipwreck, SS Henry Steinbrenner - Wikipedia
Under water, 2023
67newport
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'Wulfe Hund' was a B-17F captured by the Germans and repurposed for use with the luftwaffe.
man, what a story
Thankfully i have never been in a situation where i had to face certain death ... in slow-motion over that long, last night on the Steinbrenner. after the storm kicked their a***** for hours.
But one can imagine it ... from that vid.
Kinda like that lyric in Lightfoot's song about the Edmund Fitzgerald. "Fellas, its been good to know you," They all knew it was over ... before it actually happened.
more often than not, i guess they can/did ride out a rough trip. wasnt the captains first rodeo. but damn ...
The moment they knew .. without a doubt ... the Steinbrenner was going down. They did all they could, but Superior won. Good a few survived.
The boat was 52 years old at the time, which probably didnt help. No way from bow-to-aft except outside ON deck --- in the storm. Had he got his tarps out sooner? if weather forecasting was better?
So many "what ifs".
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interesting:
Wulfe Hund - The B-17 Captured by Luftwaffe
Personal history of Axis forces pilots serving 1935 - 1945 including original research.
aircrewremembered.com
67newport
Old Man with a Hat
Superior wins just about all the time
67newport
Old Man with a Hat
The longest on the Great Lakes, the Paul R. Tregurtha at 1,013.5 feet, arrived Duluth with a bank of sea smoke (vapor) in the distance
67newport
Old Man with a Hat
Installation of Titanic's starboard propeller shaft prior to launch in May 1911.
67newport
Old Man with a Hat
This photograph shows F-1 engines being stored in the F-1 Engine Preparation Shop, building 4666, at the Marshall Space Flight Center. Each F-1 engine produced a thrust of 1,500,000 pounds. A cluster of five engines was mounted on the thrust structure of the S-IC stage of a 364-foot long Saturn V launch vehicle that ultimately took astronauts to the Moon.
Looking Closer at the Saturn V
Saturn V rocket weighed a bit over 6 million pounds at launch. and it had to reach 25,000 mph (it lost weight as it climbed of course) to reach escape velocity.. Still, standing start, against gravity ... quite the kick needed to do that.
FYI, when stage 1 shut down three minutes after launch, the rocket was going like 6,000 mph and was 40 miles up. You can see it breaking the sound barrier after about 50 seconds, 4 miles up, from lift off.
just in case some of our memories are getting foggy of all five J-1's in first stage lit up.
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