How much to pay for a fusie in 2021 ?
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My reply was immediately below your’s though, and kinda proves my point.
P.S. You are my favorite Dave.
So did Plymouth
Sport Satellite
Road Runner
GTX
Duster
Cuda
SPORT FURY
SPORT FURY GT
SPORT FURY GT 440+6
Also yes
71Polara383
Kid with ballcap
My point was simply that concealed headlamps were a styling advantage contributing to overall appeal to a broad audience and not necessarily a muscle car image only - they just make the front end designs look so much cleaner and beautiful without the google eyes showing. That is why Plymouth offered them on their Sport Fury models but not on the lower line models that were used for utility purposes such as patrol vehicles or family utility purposes in the Fury I, II or III models. At least the Monacos should have had them standard in my opinion to enhance their already high appeal or at least and made them available on a Polara Brougham as an option perhaps - they apparently had too many tired old men living in the past in their studios or too many bean counters that didn't know the proper balance between additional cost that was worth it in terms of enhanced sales. Chrysler 300s and Imperials used them as well to enhance the overall clean, beautiful styling. Dodge was notably absent which was baffling to me on their C body lineup and used cheap plastic grilles on Polara models and only diecast grilles on the Monacos until 1972 at least. They could have done better in a competitive market where even Chevrolet (and others including Ford) had them on some full size models much earlier.
Folks at GM weren't going to give up additional sales that were attainable by leaving them out of their high trim level models such as the Caprice, so why did Dodge give them up? I still maintain it was a big mistake for Dodge to not make them available on their Monaco or optional on their Polara models perhaps in any of the years from 1969 - 1971. Chevrolet showed them how to do it in 1968 and later models such as the 1969 Caprice as shown above..........................why give market share away???
Even Ford wasn't stupid either even in 1968 and later models........................
In my head, there is no more beautiful looking vehicle than the 1966 Buick Rivera GS that had hidden headlights integrated into its classic, timeless design that will never look old or dated:
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polara71
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If it was so appealing why weren't all cars designed with them? Why aren't they on every car since?
This is again Steve you pounding your thoughts/opinions into others until they cry uncle. WTF?
I said I prefer cars without them, unlikely I'm wrong.
polara71
Old Man with a Hat
Do you know how many times I've posted right after a statement yet others got in-between.
This was about Carsten's statement that at least the Germans prefer cars based on their looks and that those included mainly the cars with hidden headlights. If you don't like them, then that is your prerogative. Was my post so convincing to you that you call it pounding my thoughts into others heads? I just wanted to be clear about styling observations in the context of what was expected of car companies in order to compete successfully in the period of 1969 - 1973 in terms of fuselage vehicles and their competitors. Sometimes expanding ones horizon beyond a narrow focus provides context for what made a successful car company. I was just trying to explain why the Chryslers are easier to sell in Germany than the Dodges. Why do you think this is only about you???? I thought you said you don't mind if others disagree with you?
To explain why every car didn't have them it was/is usually a matter of extra cost - I know firsthand that they obsessed over a few pennies of cost in a door handle and did all they could to save even slight bits of cost in other components as well. By comparison, hidden headlights were massive cost increases and usually dedicated to mostly the high end vehicles where the extra costs could be absorbed by added sticker prices for higher trim level models that were more desirable to customers that could afford them.
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Steve isn't pounding his thoughts into others but does explain his point of view. And he shows what other sucessful car manufactorer did in the same timeframe back in the day. Other high level full size models from competitors had hideaways at least optional available.
Just like at Imperial, Chrysler and Plymouth had them on the C-bodies just not Dodge.
There is a difference between personal preferences and discussing businesslike decisions for car sales.
It is totally fine that you prefer non concealled headlights. Why are you so easily offended?
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Steve you were a few seconds faster
“Just a Fury”
Okay drop the Fury, but keep the Sport Fury GT.
Still more. How many muscle car Polara/Monaco’s were there?
rapidtrans
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Hidden headlights wouldn’t be the deal breaker on a nice 68 Charger though.
Back then they seem to have been used to separate the high-end model from the rest of the line-up.
Back then they seem to have been used to separate the high-end model from the rest of the line-up.
Wow so much replies since yesterday...!
When I was mentionning EUR 10k, that was the minimum price for an American V8 here in France and most European countries, not my actual budget. I just don't want to be fooled and pay too much.
You are right about shipping cost from the US to Europe.
I did it back in 2010 with a 72 Monte Carlo, and total cost (shipping, taxes ...) was a bit more than EUR 3K, but that's another story (still own it).
When I was mentionning EUR 10k, that was the minimum price for an American V8 here in France and most European countries, not my actual budget. I just don't want to be fooled and pay too much.
You are right about shipping cost from the US to Europe.
I did it back in 2010 with a 72 Monte Carlo, and total cost (shipping, taxes ...) was a bit more than EUR 3K, but that's another story (still own it).
71Polara383
Kid with ballcap
At least a handful. No special badging, no stripes, no hidden headlamps, no scoops, no spoilers, NO GIMMICKS.
440-4, dual exhaust, road wheels, buckets/console...
Sounds like full size muscle to me?
Nice cars, all of them. I love them all.
I don’t want to argue or do any all caps stuff. I was more joking around. Should have included this
Peace, and much respect for what you are doing to save as many as possible
polara71
Old Man with a Hat
That is Wyatts
polara71
Old Man with a Hat
That is the car I drove to Missouri to get . Remember, you bailed ?
I tried all morning to reach you and you called when you were an hour past me on the interstate.
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