commando1
Old Man with a Hat
I KNOW what that guy is thinking!!
Interchange Repair Panels 1969 Fury at Rear Window
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azblackhemi
Old Man with a Hat
Murray Park has a good dutchmans panel. I know this because I sold it to him.
1970FuryConv
Old Man with a Hat
I KNOW what that guy is thinking!!
He is the seller. He got in the way as I was taking pictures. He was actually trying to figure out where the shoulder belt mounts. I told him at the corner of the sun visor and showed him how to click it on.
1970FuryConv
Old Man with a Hat
Purchase price
For those arguing about purchase price: Aidan and I set a price range of $1300-1500. I bid $1200 initially. The seller and I settled at $1500. I believe the price was fair, given the rarity of the car. I read one post that said only 30 of these PK21K cars were made in 1969. I read another that said only 3 are left. People could help us if they gave the origin/reference for these figures. I gave the seller cash after the car had been moved safely out of the field and after I had verified transferable title with VIN matching VIN plate and fender tag. The car is under my large dry carport now. It is fully dried out. Rain is not a concern. A donor car would be nice, but is highly impractical for someone overseas. Overseas transport is $3500 including customs. Truck transport on US soil adds to that figure. We've got to get the needed parts together and send them with the car or already installed on the car.
For those concerned about frame, the frames look solid and without rust holes except for one half dollar-sized hole at the extreme right rear. Rear spring perches look good. The rear floors are soft at the outside, but solid in the middle and on the inside. The front floors have rust holes, but aren't soft. Because of the way the car was sitting, trunk floor rust is concentrated at the outside behind the wheel wells and in the trunk extensions. The trunk floor between the extensions is surprisingly good. The below are trunk floor pictures. The rubber floor mat is apparently too valuable to disturb for pass floor pictures. I need the car in my garage on jackstands for frame shots. Those will have to come later, if at all. I did a lot of things to help as far as cleaning, a locksmith, making the car a roller, etc. All I have left is to put Aidan's wheels and tires on when he gets them to me. The car may not need to go in the garage at all. Since it would have to be pushed up a small incline, that's OK with me. Hope this helps the friends at for c-bodies understand, Ben
For those arguing about purchase price: Aidan and I set a price range of $1300-1500. I bid $1200 initially. The seller and I settled at $1500. I believe the price was fair, given the rarity of the car. I read one post that said only 30 of these PK21K cars were made in 1969. I read another that said only 3 are left. People could help us if they gave the origin/reference for these figures. I gave the seller cash after the car had been moved safely out of the field and after I had verified transferable title with VIN matching VIN plate and fender tag. The car is under my large dry carport now. It is fully dried out. Rain is not a concern. A donor car would be nice, but is highly impractical for someone overseas. Overseas transport is $3500 including customs. Truck transport on US soil adds to that figure. We've got to get the needed parts together and send them with the car or already installed on the car.
For those concerned about frame, the frames look solid and without rust holes except for one half dollar-sized hole at the extreme right rear. Rear spring perches look good. The rear floors are soft at the outside, but solid in the middle and on the inside. The front floors have rust holes, but aren't soft. Because of the way the car was sitting, trunk floor rust is concentrated at the outside behind the wheel wells and in the trunk extensions. The trunk floor between the extensions is surprisingly good. The below are trunk floor pictures. The rubber floor mat is apparently too valuable to disturb for pass floor pictures. I need the car in my garage on jackstands for frame shots. Those will have to come later, if at all. I did a lot of things to help as far as cleaning, a locksmith, making the car a roller, etc. All I have left is to put Aidan's wheels and tires on when he gets them to me. The car may not need to go in the garage at all. Since it would have to be pushed up a small incline, that's OK with me. Hope this helps the friends at for c-bodies understand, Ben
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i think the buyer did well. no one restores these cars for investment. they aren't worth much when they are done compared to a b body or e body . fix it because you appreciate the car and want to save a piece of history.
Aidan1976
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Thanks. I realize the car is a large and long-term project. I wanted something special and now I have it. Anyway, there are simply too many A, B, and E-Bodies out there. Lets hear it for the big C-tanks
commando1
Old Man with a Hat
Long love the big C-tanks.
There were 2146 PK21s all built at Belvedere all for the U.S. None exported or sent to Canada. That's /6 and V8 cars combined. My U.S. SG30 for 1969 disappeared on me over 20 years ago so I can't break anything down as far as engines or other options goes.
1970FuryConv
Old Man with a Hat
What is an SG30?
1970FuryConv
Old Man with a Hat
One C-Body Man Speaks
Frank Parks, 706-857-2832, Summerville GA has a yard of c and a body cars. Without looking at a body book, he says the area to the right and left of the trunk lid is the same for all c-body cars 69-71. He believes that the dutchman, c-pillar areais unique to 2 door sedans, so different than 2 and 4 door hardtops. Like Commando 1, he recommended fabrication in this area rather than replacing this area. He mentioned body books, but we had a verybad connection. He was hard tohear. I gave up.
I also have tried both to email and phone Murray Park in Ohio, without response.
Maybe the best plan is a cut out from the front of the trunk lid back and metal fab forward of the trunk lid. The purple car could provide the cut out. Obviously, the trunk lid will have to be replaced. I'm going to post a want ad for one in the Virginia area. As far as the weld joint for the cut out, a question would be, is it best for the body man to make the joint in the upper quarter or on top in what one member called the quarter leg? Thanks, Ben
Frank Parks, 706-857-2832, Summerville GA has a yard of c and a body cars. Without looking at a body book, he says the area to the right and left of the trunk lid is the same for all c-body cars 69-71. He believes that the dutchman, c-pillar areais unique to 2 door sedans, so different than 2 and 4 door hardtops. Like Commando 1, he recommended fabrication in this area rather than replacing this area. He mentioned body books, but we had a verybad connection. He was hard tohear. I gave up.
I also have tried both to email and phone Murray Park in Ohio, without response.
Maybe the best plan is a cut out from the front of the trunk lid back and metal fab forward of the trunk lid. The purple car could provide the cut out. Obviously, the trunk lid will have to be replaced. I'm going to post a want ad for one in the Virginia area. As far as the weld joint for the cut out, a question would be, is it best for the body man to make the joint in the upper quarter or on top in what one member called the quarter leg? Thanks, Ben
1970FuryConv
Old Man with a Hat
By the way, I contacted C-body Bob in NC about the trunk lid from that red 69 PH23, but he has already sold it.
commando1
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CanCritter
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may have left side nos patch from quarter to top for ya depending how quick ya want it
Can somebody please post my last explanation of all this?
may have left side nos patch from quarter to top for ya depending how quick ya want it
Damn, you do come up with some nifty ****!
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CanCritter
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been busy the last year. Got the two quarters offa ebay. Probally last ones out there anyway are for the gt. Can use most of the quarter however rear widows diff so will section the quarter and top part is useless to me. Anyway looks like fella here could use. Just end up throwin it out. Hate to see go to waste when someone else can use
1970FuryConv
Old Man with a Hat
Murray replied
"Hello, yes I believe a 4 door hardtop will be usable for patch pieces. I have looked at everything I have, either rusted out or already cut out.
Thanks, Murray Park"
Frank Parks doesn't have anything either.
Leon at Leon's in Culpepper says he has a half dozen 69 Furies on hand, but he is strictly pick and pull, so I have to go see.
Cancritter has a nice piece.
We'll see what Aidan wants to do.
"Hello, yes I believe a 4 door hardtop will be usable for patch pieces. I have looked at everything I have, either rusted out or already cut out.
Thanks, Murray Park"
Frank Parks doesn't have anything either.
Leon at Leon's in Culpepper says he has a half dozen 69 Furies on hand, but he is strictly pick and pull, so I have to go see.
Cancritter has a nice piece.
We'll see what Aidan wants to do.
1970FuryConv
Old Man with a Hat
I copied the post below from another post by kmccabe56. Wonder if the SG30s are aggregated in a book that is available to public to purchase.
"Without looking at the production information I have, the only thing I can add to the first pdf is that the SG30 report you referenced likely only pertains to U.S. sold cars. They do not and have not ever indicated the number of cars built. There were additional SG30s for Canada, possibly Mexico and for export markets. AFAIK, Historical only has the U.S. SG30s. Depending on the carline, the U.S. got anywhere from 85 to 95% of the cars built. But when it comes to oddball cars (sunroofs, hemi Ebodies, Canada often got a disproportionate share of these vehicles.)
SG30/31 reports detail installation rates of options based on sales.
If the production numbers you listed are for all vehicles, then you may be including 4dr sedans and hardtops, wagons etc., as the case may be which would skew the numbers.
The only truly accurate documentation that may exist is what Chrysler called a VSPR (Vehicle Scheduled Production Report - that's not the correct title, but it's close). I've only ever seen one of these reports, have no idea who the internal Chrysler customer was for this information nor do I know if they still exist for the cars we're interested in, or if they're even still being produced. I am relatively certain that Historical doesn't have any copies of them.
The VSPR report detailed installation rates of options based on actual production."
"Without looking at the production information I have, the only thing I can add to the first pdf is that the SG30 report you referenced likely only pertains to U.S. sold cars. They do not and have not ever indicated the number of cars built. There were additional SG30s for Canada, possibly Mexico and for export markets. AFAIK, Historical only has the U.S. SG30s. Depending on the carline, the U.S. got anywhere from 85 to 95% of the cars built. But when it comes to oddball cars (sunroofs, hemi Ebodies, Canada often got a disproportionate share of these vehicles.)
SG30/31 reports detail installation rates of options based on sales.
If the production numbers you listed are for all vehicles, then you may be including 4dr sedans and hardtops, wagons etc., as the case may be which would skew the numbers.
The only truly accurate documentation that may exist is what Chrysler called a VSPR (Vehicle Scheduled Production Report - that's not the correct title, but it's close). I've only ever seen one of these reports, have no idea who the internal Chrysler customer was for this information nor do I know if they still exist for the cars we're interested in, or if they're even still being produced. I am relatively certain that Historical doesn't have any copies of them.
The VSPR report detailed installation rates of options based on actual production."
Thanks for posting that. I've sworn an oath not to write that out again. Ever. The first couple of hundred times was enough. As for compiling all of the SG30s into one book, that would be on the website notgonnahappen.com
Several years back at the WPC Meet in Pa, there was a supposedly bigtime literature dealer there who gave a speech after the banquet about how at great expense, he'd purchased an entire set of SG30s, and he was going to print out the pertinent pages for anyone who had a car, that would pay his price. This all sounded really fishy to me, so I held off during "question period" and went up to him afterward. My question to him was "How big a pile are all of these SG30s?" He was sitting down and held his hand up just above his shoulder. I tried real hard not to laugh and said as nicely as I could, that he didn't have much more than maybe 5% of them. He got a stunned look on his face and then I asked him what years his SG30s covered. "Every year" he said. I suggested to him that if he had every year and the U.S. as well as the Canadian books (never mind the export stuff), he wouldn't be able to reach the top of the pile standing on a ladder.
So, that's why you're never going to see them in a book somewhere. Even if they were broken down to just one year, you'd still need to have the U.S. report which is 8½X11 and over an inch thick, plus the Canadian report which is 11x17, and then to really get anywhere you'd need the production report which is also 11x17 and about 5/8" thick. Then you'd have to read the preface in the book that shows you how to read the production report and the other preface that shows you how to read the SG30s.
If by some miracle you were able to round all of that stuff up, I think it'd be way more than a safe bet that the paranoids at Chrysler would never give you permission to publish it.
The guy who runs the Hamtramck site seems to have some SG30 info, but he's never given me any specific answers as to what he has.
The ideal document(s) to have are the VSPR reports and I'm sure they're all in a neat pile on the other side of a black hole on the other side of the galaxy.
Aidan1976
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may have left side nos patch from quarter to top for ya depending how quick ya want it
Wow, now that is rare. Yes, would be very interested in the non-used upper portion. Would you possibly have both side available?
Thanks very much to Ben for assistance with this, great great guy!
Cheers, Aidan
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