For Sale It's back !1970 Plymouth Fury 70 440-6 V CODE SPORT FURY GT PROMO SHOW CAR

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My highest regards to those experts that recreate such basket cases from scratch, now completely removed from this ph23vo issue, and I also would enjoy taking a Close look at a correct resto, it just wouldn't give me anything to own. And if you're talking of the high priced collector cars as 300 SL gullwings AFAIK there is a huge Price difference between a mostly original car with matching records and new buildups from the remains of a Frame, I think even condition 3 unrestored cars would surpass such a mint recreation.

To my (sick ?) theory or philosophy (my excuses to all philosophers who deal with "real" Problems of mankind) the random parts become a unity after a car is assembled. Maybe being a Person who was too Young to have a first Hand experience of new car ownership of that era I'd like to have a time capsule that can give me a mostly unaltered look at the techniques of mass production of that era with all shortcomings in Quality of execution. Still glad to help out serious restorers with the few cars I got that can be used as a reference

I don't disagree with the fact that a complete buildup like this one will not match the prices of some time capsules, but I also don't care that much about how much the car would be worth after I was done since I can't take it with me anyway. My only point basically is that this 1970 SFGT Brougham isn't all that expensive at the current price given its rarity and provenance and if one were to restore it using much of a body from a donor car and installing the correct numbers panels from the original car, using many of parts on the original car as well (auto trans, rear end, some interior parts, etc.), the restoration costs wouldn't be that prohibitive. All the unnecessary welding trying to patch one together from various parts from multiple cars could be avoided, and a better result would emerge, IMO. And if I were the one to do the car, then it would be as close to factory correct as you would find, down to the smallest details. I believe the total costs of such a restoration would be around $50K including the price of the car for me since I would do most of the work myself with the help of my body/paint guy on the premesis. I have already done one 440-6 restoration with my Cuda, although it had virtually no rust to begin with. It is a numbers matching original 6 pack car, so I have some idea what I would be doing.

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I don't disagree with the fact that a complete buildup like this one will not match the prices of some time capsules, but I also don't care that much about how much the car would be worth after I was done since I can't take it with me anyway. My only point basically is that this 1970 SFGT Brougham isn't all that expensive at the current price given its rarity and provenance and if one were to restore it using much of a body from a donor car and installing the correct numbers panels from the original car, using many of parts on the original car as well (auto trans, rear end, some interior parts, etc.), the restoration costs wouldn't be that prohibitive. All the unnecessary welding trying to patch one together from various parts from multiple cars could be avoided, and a better result would emerge, IMO. And if I were the one to do the car, then it would be as close to factory correct as you would find, down to the smallest details. I believe the total costs of such a restoration would be around $50K including the price of the car for me since I would do most of the work myself with the help of my body/paint guy on the premesis. I have already done one 440-6 restoration with my Cuda, although it had virtually no rust to begin with. It is a numbers matching original 6 pack car, so I have some idea what I would be doing.

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Hi Steve,

go for the v-code SFGT.
You can do it.

And I can help you to get rid of another car in your backyard ;o))))

Carsten
 
Hi Steve,

go for the v-code SFGT.
You can do it.

And I can help you to get rid of another car in your backyard ;o))))

Carsten

And of course I can't let Carsten be the only one to help you Steve. I will certainly match Carsten's generosity!
 
I'd be willing to help out too if you have a nice 67-8 Sport Fury 4 Speed or Convert Steve :)

Sorry, Tallhair, the only 68 I have is a Barracuda notchback coupe. Don't tell Carsten it is turquoise, either. although I don't think he is needing an A body (lucky for me..................)
 
OK, tbm3fan has spoken. 75% is the correct number then that we all have to keep in mind (although the bar is less for a Dart for example).

You seem to have a problem of some sort. Apparently you don't like someone "expressing" their personal opinion when it is in conflict with your own. Rather than accept it as one POV you need to satirize it each and every time. Not to mention veering off course.

Well tough. Get over it cause it is going to happen again and again. So stick to yours and try hard to be as accepting as 70GTBasketcase who can see it both ways.
 
None of these cars are alive or have souls that must be captured, at least to most people.

Now for my opinion. None of these cars have souls. Really? I, on the other hand, have found they do. How many owners here have longed to see one of their former cars one more time? How many have wondered how that former car is doing now? Almost seems like a person to me. Seems similar to wanting to see a long lost friend, or long ago high school girlfriend, once again or know how they are doing.

Ask any Navy vet who sailed on a ship if it has a soul. I know that answer and it is 100% yes. Each ship, even if in the same class, has it's own unique character and quirks. Again, that is from Navy vets. The USS Hornet had 23 sisters. Right there she has a soul since all ships are called "her" and others like her are "sisters". Now scrap that ship and put the name Hornet on another and paint 12 of her. Impossible and any former crew member would spot what was happening. They would know that that ship was an imposter. They would know that ship never carried them into battle and brought them home. They have their full emotions tied up into that ship. Once that is done she does have soul. One needs to personally witness these guys when they come aboard after 50, 60 and 70 years to see first hand their emotions for their ship.

Try to palm off another identical, if possible, Seafoam green 1968 Cougar on me. First, mine has quirks I know. Second it was my father's car and now mine. Third, it was my first car and the car I started dating in and necking in the back seat watching the Pacific Ocean. No replacement car could ever duplicate it as my emotions are tied up in the original. Very much so that even if I don't drive it I can go out to the garage to sit in it and reminisce. She has a powerful pull that can't be denied so she too has soul because I gave it to her and she has been with me for the long haul.

Of course, if one has no emotions vested into the car, and is only concerned with what it is worth to dump in a few years then the car has no soul because they gave it no soul.
 
Now for my opinion. None of these cars have souls. Really? I, on the other hand, have found they do. How many owners here have longed to see one of their former cars one more time? How many have wondered how that former car is doing now? Almost seems like a person to me. Seems similar to wanting to see a long lost friend, or long ago high school girlfriend, once again or know how they are doing.

Ask any Navy vet who sailed on a ship if it has a soul. I know that answer and it is 100% yes. Each ship, even if in the same class, has it's own unique character and quirks. Again, that is from Navy vets. The USS Hornet had 23 sisters. Right there she has a soul since all ships are called "her" and others like her are "sisters". Now scrap that ship and put the name Hornet on another and paint 12 of her. Impossible and any former crew member would spot what was happening. They would know that that ship was an imposter. They would know that ship never carried them into battle and brought them home. They have their full emotions tied up into that ship. Once that is done she does have soul. One needs to personally witness these guys when they come aboard after 50, 60 and 70 years to see first hand their emotions for their ship.

Try to palm off another identical, if possible, Seafoam green 1968 Cougar on me. First, mine has quirks I know. Second it was my father's car and now mine. Third, it was my first car and the car I started dating in and necking in the back seat watching the Pacific Ocean. No replacement car could ever duplicate it as my emotions are tied up in the original. Very much so that even if I don't drive it I can go out to the garage to sit in it and reminisce. She has a powerful pull that can't be denied so she too has soul because I gave it to her and she has been with me for the long haul.

Of course, if one has no emotions vested into the car, and is only concerned with what it is worth to dump in a few years then the car has no soul because they gave it no soul.

They may indeed have sentimental value and there may be memories tied up in them, but they are just metal and plastic and rubber, etc. They are not living beings.

I do not buy cars to sell them, but to keep them because I like them. And not because I believe they have souls.

But to each his own.
 
You seem to have a problem of some sort. Apparently you don't like someone "expressing" their personal opinion when it is in conflict with your own. Rather than accept it as one POV you need to satirize it each and every time. Not to mention veering off course.

Well tough. Get over it cause it is going to happen again and again. So stick to yours and try hard to be as accepting as 70GTBasketcase who can see it both ways.

I was asking a rhetorical question - there is no right answer, and I didn't expect anyone would make such an estimate because it really wouldn't matter what one person believes. I am not sure what the rest of your reply is about. Maybe you are overly sensitive.
 
Sorry, Tallhair, the only 68 I have is a Barracuda notchback coupe. Don't tell Carsten it is turquoise, either. although I don't think he is needing an A body (lucky for me..................)
Do you have a pic of that car, Steve? Love Notchbacks. They dont get the attention like Fast backs do.
 
They may indeed have sentimental value and there may be memories tied up in them, but they are just metal and plastic and rubber, etc.

one of the seldom times I disagree partly with Steve. They are just made out of steel, rubber, plastic etc but I do believe they have souls.
At least sometimes.

A true story:

A friend owned a 69 Road Runner, it was always hard to start and took a long time to get it running after it had sat for a longer time (a week +). Even if you put gas into the carb it took a long time till it ran (continued to run).

It was always located in a building in the Hamburg harbour. So sometimes a flood happened and everything needed to be evacuated. My buddy got informed very late about the flood. When we drove up there the fire rescue was close to let us not go into the building anymore as the water started to run down the street already.

Guess what happened?
My buddy jumped on the bench, turned the key and for the first time ever it started up immediately and ran. He drove it out and up onto a levee.

While it was sitting on the levee the building got flooded. When I looked up at the RR it appeared to me as if he was sitting there and smiling.

Needless to say that after the flood everything was like before. It continued to be hard to start car all the time.

But on the day of the flood the RR knew what he had to do.

Carsten
 
Man what a ***** that RR is!:poke:

Hey Stan...
 
one of the seldom times I disagree partly with Steve. They are just made out of steel, rubber, plastic etc but I do believe they have souls.
At least sometimes.

A true story:

A friend owned a 69 Road Runner, it was always hard to start and took a long time to get it running after it had sat for a longer time (a week +). Even if you put gas into the carb it took a long time till it ran (continued to run).

It was always located in a building in the Hamburg harbour. So sometimes a flood happened and everything needed to be evacuated. My buddy got informed very late about the flood. When we drove up there the fire rescue was close to let us not go into the building anymore as the water started to run down the street already.

Guess what happened?
My buddy jumped on the bench, turned the key and for the first time ever it started up immediately and ran. He drove it out and up onto a levee.

While it was sitting on the levee the building got flooded. When I looked up at the RR it appeared to me as if he was sitting there and smiling.

Needless to say that after the flood everything was like before. It continued to be hard to start car all the time.

But on the day of the flood the RR knew what he had to do.

Carsten

If my B7 blue 70 SFGT has a soul, then you really can't expect me to sell my soul, do you? That wouldn't be right! :stop: :)
 
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