No fuse or relay, there's circuit breaker though.
He might be thinking of the door locks as they have a relay.
I don't have a spare circuit breaker but I do have another master switch we can try. I just put it in the trunk.
Medina, a 1971 T-code Monaco
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He might be thinking of the door locks as they have a relay.
I don't have a spare circuit breaker but I do have another master switch we can try. I just put it in the trunk.
Thanks a lot to @71Polara383 @azblackhemi and @david hill for helping me bring Medina back to what she is today, and to Carlisle. She looks fantastic and got tons of compliments.
I want to take this opportunity to thank @azblackhemi once again for an amazing paint job and for matching the original color perfectly.
The color really travels. Here are two photos of Medina under different lighting conditions. Same day, same place, different light.
And here is, for comparison, the best photo I have of Medina in her original livery, two owners ago:
Finally, for those who think that GY9 is more green than gold, here’s a photo from yet another angle.
The color really travels. Here are two photos of Medina under different lighting conditions. Same day, same place, different light.
And here is, for comparison, the best photo I have of Medina in her original livery, two owners ago:
Finally, for those who think that GY9 is more green than gold, here’s a photo from yet another angle.
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Not much green in that GY9.
It is an amazing looking car and the paint is fabulous!!
I enjoyed looking the car over several times.
It is an amazing looking car and the paint is fabulous!!
I enjoyed looking the car over several times.
I just wanted to update some of my past comments on TCP Global. I recently ordered some paint they said they could duplicate precisely. The last time I had any results from one of the members here was from @73Coupe when he ordered some paint for his recently purchased 1971 Chrysler New Yorker about two years ago now that originally was Winchester gray metallic and still had its original Winchester Grey metallic on it Due to fading of that color over time he wanted to repaint the car and ordered some of that color from TCP Global and it was a really good match - it is a difficult color to match since it is primarily a gray paint with a blue tint to it
Since recently having heard anything negative about them, I ordered some GJ4 April Green metallic to repaint my current restoration effort on my 1971 Chrysler 300. What I received, however, was a disaster and not even close to my original color when doing a spray out. So I called the company and asked them why the color wasn't even close. They told me the paint they sent me was a great match to my original color. When I showed them the original 1971 color and trim selector color chip that was in every Chrysler Dealers' showrooms to assist potential customers in choosing the colors that they liked the most, they told me that their color supplied to me was a fine match.
So when I had my paint guy that is going to do the work on my car do a spray out of the color they sent me, it turned out to be a horrible match - not even close. They told me that it was the correct match for my car and that they would not refund my money that I had to pay upfront They said the color they sent me was correct and went back and forth with me but it was clear that they would not make a refund. They maintained the formula they used was a PPG color and was the correct one. So they refused to refund me anything and gave me lame excuses as to why theirs was the correct color despite the reality in front of them that I provided. Here is photo of their spray out and it also shows the original GJ4 green in from my Color and Trim selector from 1971.
So that is a $1,556 loss for me.
Keep that in mind should you considering ordering some paint from them. I can only surmise that they must have changed ownership but I couldn't confirm that.
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If I did not know any better, I'd say that they sent you GY9 -- not GJ4!
Very sorry to hear of your bad experience. Given the time it took you and the cost of paint these days, I am all the more sorry.
That's horrible. Definitely the wrong color.
Would it be better when using TCP global to order just enough to spray a little first before buying enough to do your entire car?
Would it be better when using TCP global to order just enough to spray a little first before buying enough to do your entire car?
I doubt they would be willing to do that but for me at least I won't be going back for any reason. Thanks.
Rustyrodknocker
Senior Member
What paint chemistry is this? Looks alot like the gold rush I bought last spring which I liked
73Coupe
Senior Member
That's an abomination!
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fury fan
Old Man with a Hat
I could see how perhaps there was some misunderstanding between the order-takers, their internal paperwork, and the customer-service person you talked to afterward.
To where they could believe they shipped the correct thing.
But the followup with them, with that photo of the spray-out vs hte factory color chip removes all doubt, and should've made them realize there was likely a paperwork/work-order error, and not a formulation error (meaning, they made the wrong thing but made it correctly).
I think the worst thing is you were obviously prepared for GJ4 and now you don't know what to do for paint, yes?
It is really difficult to know what went on in the order taking process but a real problem they face is TCP Global doesn't seem to be able to formulate a precise original color anymore. What their current website now says is that they use approximate original colors that show up online when one searches for "1971 Chrysler colors". What that typically generates is a website that seems to approximate factory colors for their color charts rather than depend on the actual factory 1971 Chrysler color chips that were in the original color and trim selectors that all dealers used to order new cars with. At best those color chips that show up on such sites are never really useful for purists like most of us. Those chips are only useful for folks with old cars that have faded paint and want them to look better with a new paint job rather than restore them to a factory level car that rolled off the assembly line in 1971. But one thing about such sites is that they claim to have been posted by companies such as PPG and that to me is really curious?
The dealers used the color and trim selectors when a potential customer was ready to place an order for a new car from the factory. But what the TCP Global company now does is use the approximate colors found online when one types in a search function such as "1971 Chrysler colors". The previous owners of TCP Global advertised heavily that they had all the factory color chips for virtually every car company's products dating all the way back to the 1940s. I don't believe the current company still has those anymore or if they still do, they don't really use them anymore. and so they won't satisfy purists like many of us on this site. Maybe this company sold them to another company when it seems to have changed hands. The guy that manages the company now acts very authoritarian and refused to accept any responsibility. The guy I dealt with in customer service the first time told me if I did another spray out of not just one can of paint but both of them that I received to do a full sized Chrysler, if the spray out didn't match the factory color chip he would refund my payment but apparently the owner saw that reply to me and took it off the site and when I called in I was told the new manager was taking over this matter. In talking with him, nothing I said changed his mind. What they say now on the current TC Global site is that they match their colors to the chips that show up on sites that when one googles "color chips" on line for a given manufacturers' array of colors. So with that new insert, the company is no longer dedicated to generating very original precise factory colors. So apparently they now only sell approximate colors.
Nonetheless, I do believe that I can and will get the correct color since our site member Chris @azblackhemi who most recently repainted @ayilar's 1971 Dodge Monaco in its original tawny gold has the original original chip and also has his assistant who is very experienced in knowing which colors should be used to get as close to the correct color manufacturers' color chip as possible. What Chris did for me when I informed him of my recent mess with TCP Global was to just go on line and google "1971 Chrysler J4 color" and what turned up was a photo of a 2025 Kia Soul in that color and a photo of my own 1971 Chrysler 300 sitting in my garage that I posted at least 10 years ago on this site as the only photos found anywhere using that Google search. That level of capability through Google really amazes me! So I went to the shop that is going to paint my car and because they do collision work as well, by necessity already had an array of factory color chips of fairly new vehicles. He also had the factory color chips in his building for the 2025 Kia Soul and the one for the 2025 Kia Soul in green was there. So we took that chip for the Kia Soul and found the chip for the one that is virtually the same as the factory original color chip for my 71 Chrysler 300. In analyzing that color chip, the only variation in that Kia chip is the level of fine metallics with the Kia color. Since my shop uses a PPG rep to get the fine metallics to match my original Chrysler color chip, I concluded Kia chip needs just a little less regular fine metallic and also needed to cut back on the other fine metallic that had a gold tint to it, then the modified formulation would be a perfect match. When the PPG rep was asked by the shop if they could do that he said "certainly" so I am pretty sure I will get just what is needed. So the bottom line is our site's Chris is a really capable paint matching guy in conjunction with his color match helper in getting me to the finish line just like he did with @ayilar.
I have known Chris and his wife for well over a decade when I first met them each year at the Van Nuys "Spring Fling" Chrysler products show and swap meet held each year here in Southern California. They are two of my favorite people of all time and once again I really appreciate his invaluable help in this matter that will get me a really nice color match for my 71 300 now.
Steve
fury fan
Old Man with a Hat
Cool. You've gotten a source for the color, so now it looks like the only thing that remains is to get $1500 in satisfaction while watching their reputation slowly burn down.
As I'm sure it will, you are not the only person that will be particular about getting an accurate color. Word will travel across webforums.
(I'm not suggesting that you are vindictive, I'm saying that when their reputation takes some hits, it will demonstrate that they should've treated your situation in a righteous manner)
Thru all of this, I am glad I don't have any cars that justify such paintjobs!
As I'm sure it will, you are not the only person that will be particular about getting an accurate color. Word will travel across webforums.
(I'm not suggesting that you are vindictive, I'm saying that when their reputation takes some hits, it will demonstrate that they should've treated your situation in a righteous manner)
Thru all of this, I am glad I don't have any cars that justify such paintjobs!
azblackhemi
Old Man with a Hat
Thank you for the kind words Steve and my wife and I certainly feel the same way about you.
Now to add a little detail to the process to get this color right i contacted my paint store that ive been dealing with for over 40 years and asked the paint guru Scott what we can do since PPG doesn't have a formula for this color. Well he contacted the Corporate PPG Color Lab and they suggested this Kia color that looks remarkably close right off the bat. So he gave me the number for the color so Steve could have it mixed according to the formula and then tinted as needed to match his car's original color. Sounds like Steve is almost there. I can't wait to see the results! Unfortunately this level of research and work is the norm anymore when trying to get an accurate match for our old iron.
Now to add a little detail to the process to get this color right i contacted my paint store that ive been dealing with for over 40 years and asked the paint guru Scott what we can do since PPG doesn't have a formula for this color. Well he contacted the Corporate PPG Color Lab and they suggested this Kia color that looks remarkably close right off the bat. So he gave me the number for the color so Steve could have it mixed according to the formula and then tinted as needed to match his car's original color. Sounds like Steve is almost there. I can't wait to see the results! Unfortunately this level of research and work is the norm anymore when trying to get an accurate match for our old iron.
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fury fan
Old Man with a Hat
Looks like TCP Global considers it abnormal to do such work?
FWIW, here's what I dug up on their website. It's no wonder Steve didn't get an accurate color, and is perhaps why they refused to evaluate any further.
I would not think so. I’d venture this is boilerplate legalese so that they’re not held to appearances that will vary from computer screen to computer screen.
Regardless, this does not excuse their behavior. If you can’t guarantee the original color then you should say so.
azblackhemi
Old Man with a Hat
Yes that's the color.
azblackhemi
Old Man with a Hat
Here's the info on it.
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