New Muffler Sound Laws and Enforcement

[It's better in a letter]

Sorry guys. I am with the ban on the noise. I do live in the country on a nicely paved road. I get to listen to bikes and all loud exhaust coming and going for miles particularly on weekends. Those people are traveling to resorts 30 to 100 miles beyond where I live.
For those that live in the city it is already noisy so perhaps not so noticeable but where it is normally quite it becomes offensive quickly. I am a farmer with long hours of work every day and would like to rest in quiet when the day is done. All of my engines, 24 of them, 8 of them V8s, the newest is 2001, have proper quiet mufflers. Try to imagine listening to equipment with bad mufflers virtually non stop for 10 to 16 hours per day!
All people like to eat so remember where your food comes from! Leave me to exercise my freedom to have some quiet. Thanks for listening.

 

[polaratherapy]

Sorry guys. I am with the ban on the noise. I do live in the country on a nicely paved road. I get to listen to bikes and all loud exhaust coming and going for miles particularly on weekends. Those people are traveling to resorts 30 to 100 miles beyond where I live.
For those that live in the city it is already noisy so perhaps not so noticeable but where it is normally quite it becomes offensive quickly. I am a farmer with long hours of work every day and would like to rest in quiet when the day is done. All of my engines, 24 of them, 8 of them V8s, the newest is 2001, have proper quiet mufflers. Try to imagine listening to equipment with bad mufflers virtually non stop for 10 to 16 hours per day!
All people like to eat so remember where your food comes from! Leave me to exercise my freedom to have some quiet. Thanks for listening.

Long live farmers,
yes it's nice to have quiet time after a long day on an open tractor, no cab.
We are just outside of the GTA ( Greater Toronto Area ) so our area becomes the recreational area for Harleys, city folk and the new annoyance of the millenials with their dressed up cars with those stupid mufflers that backfire when they decelerate. Must be some punk in the area who just revs the $h!t out of the car and lets off the gas up and down the street almost on a daily basis. It does die down in the winter.
For some reason, the Harley riders like to gun it just in front of our place with the rolling road!

Have a nice day,

PT

 

[SGT FURY]

A wrecked California 23k mile cuda that I got in the mid 80s
440-6 4speed,shaker,4.10
with no factory exhaust tips????

California and noise requirements can date back to late 60's/early 70's. When Regan was Governor. IIRC
You can tell a "California Mopar" as it had turn down tailpipes when anywhere else the. Performance cars like 'Cuda's, GTX, any R/T Dodge came standard with chrome exhaust tips. E bodies and B bodies mostly.
71 to 74 B tips? Not in the sunny state.

 

[SGT FURY]

A local to me since 1961 California dirt track speedway will closing soon due to
noise complaints from Karen’s on summer Saturday nights
The long time operated fairgrounds will be closed also.
It will be replaced by a massive (low income) housing project.
3x the traffic and congestion.
But hey as long as some city council members make some $$$ on construction contracts and increase some property tax revenues it’s all good to eliminate speedway over noise complaints!!
The racing sounds from speedway in summer were like music to me.

 

[68PK21 440.6bbl]

This jackass was the darling of his neighborhood for awhile, last pictures and what I heard from a old coworker was that he had to relocate to some storage unit, you know one of those run your business from this quasi industrial/storage park. Not really a bonifide shop so to say.

They even have decibel limits on the Rolex/GrandAM/IMSA cars out at the speedway, I think it's like 94/96dbi and you will get points taken if you fail post race tech. Motorcycles too, the bikes around on the streets are louder than race bikes during the Daytona 200 motorcycle race.

Lately I read on the 'net that here was some new aftermarket obnoxious exhaust system for the 6 cylinder Challenger. Welp wouldn't you know it as I was waiting for a red light up along the right lane comes this Challenger and makes the right turn via the green arrow and guns it. What a gawd awful sound, I just thought, yep that's a V-6 with the new system I heard about. Then to top that off, as I get the green who cuts into my lane making a right turn on red? Yep you guessed it a obnoxious loud ******* MUSTANG!
At least that was a V-8.

 

[DCMC]

I'm with noise restrictions also, my wife and I would go to brunch on Sunday's at a 200 year old stone building in Bucks county and sit on the porch. All quiet until the bikes would come through with no mufflers. They would sit in the intersection and shout trying to decide to go right or left. Some would rev their motors believing they're clever except the previous 4 groups did the same. Most were wannabe's, my best friend growing up is a Pagen and after hanging around with them it's easy to spot the posers.

 

[Northcoast300h]

While I can't speak to most of those you listed, ftx no longer has value. Interesting choice to add to your list, though.

Good, You caught that. Yes, my point was US economy seems based on perception and not quaility. I hope I'm wrong. I hope we aren't living on a giant bubble where many companies real value have been inflated by hype.

 

[jimmyessbee]

Good, You caught that. Yes, my point was US economy seems based on perception and not quaility. I hope I'm wrong. I hope we aren't living on a giant bubble where many companies real value have been inflated by hype.

But let's think about that... What economy isn't based on perception? Nothing has value unless we think it does. Let's pretend we find a real 1969 Fury with a 440 six pack and a four speed -- let's even put a factory lift off fiberglass hood on it. Value would be through the roof. But why? The actual quality would be no different and perhaps even less than if one of the builders on this forum built it that way. But, our perception is that it's worth more because there were less. A fake supply and demand because real supply and demand is only limited by the number of '69 Furys and the people willing to build them. All economies are built on that with the tiny exception of subsistence level barter economies.

 

[LocuMob]

But let's think about that... What economy isn't based on perception? Nothing has value unless we think it does. Let's pretend we find a real 1969 Fury with a 440 six pack and a four speed -- let's even put a factory lift off fiberglass hood on it. Value would be through the roof. But why? The actual quality would be no different and perhaps even less than if one of the builders on this forum built it that way. But, our perception is that it's worth more because there were less. A fake supply and demand because real supply and demand is only limited by the number of '69 Furys and the people willing to build them. All economies are built on that with the tiny exception of subsistence level barter economies.

Money isn't real.

 

[thethee]

Money isn't real.

"So you see officer, no, I should not be arrested for counterfeiting"

 

[polaratherapy]

Good, You caught that. Yes, my point was US economy seems based on perception and not quaility. I hope I'm wrong. I hope we aren't living on a giant bubble where many companies real value have been inflated by hype.

Isn't it reality that everything is based on hype, you pay more for the name on a product, celebrities endorse crap yet people still go out and buy it. Most recently FTx, I hope no one jumped on that bandwagon only because Tom Bra. was pushing crypto or NFTs. I prefer to stick with RFTs....REAL FU<kn THINGS, like cars!
Lately in Canada they just opened singe event gambling, probably been around the States for a while, but here you can't watch a sporting event without celebrities pushing gambling sites, it's non stop.
Anyway, we could go on and on about noise polution too!
The human race no longer deserves to be the leading species on the planet, 85% of us have to go, LOL!
Have a nice day
PT

 

[Justin Plant]

Money isn't real.

Oh, it's real.... it's just worthless.

 

[Gerald Morris]

This is just another specious "issue" to further enable the police to attack and loot the populace. Be sure that those who appear to have enough money to hire shysters won't be targeted. I'm SO GLAD I STOPPED IN ARIZONA INSTEAD OF HEADING TO L.A. in 1988! Now, too many Orange County refugees have invaded Toostoned, Californizing it as well as that abomination to the WNW. I know what to expect for new police harassment here in 5-10 yrs.

Rest assured, the other 49 plutorepublics will follow suit in the next decade. Karens, Bambis, Nambis and Pambis abound as front stooges to agitate for this kind of ugly garbage. Think I'll re-up my DAMM* membership for life.

*Drunks Against Mad Mothers

 

[Gerald Morris]

As regulations grow, freedoms die.

California at this point is the least American place in this country. It’s appalling what continues to come out of that dump. If you want….I’ll go on a rant so I’ll bite my tongue.

Rant man! RANT!

 

[scatpack_69]

Ever since the emissions testing ended here in Ontario (about 3 years ago) lots of cars have had modified exhaust work done, with the addition of "fart cans" which sounds like a machine gun going off when you rev the engine and then take your foot off the gas. I am completely for nailing these a**holes. I'm sorry but nobody has the right to create irritating and nauseating noise in public for no g-d reason other than to be a complete jerk.

Sure we do. We have every right to do what we want to our vehicles that we pay for and no one can say we can’t. Heck, I can swap mufflers and remain 100% legal and offend someone…

Regardless of the current state of affairs, it’s STILL a free country.

And I drive straight piped Cummins diesels every day….

 

[King Hooter]

For those who are against noise y'all listen to this. Where I live pop. 18,000ish, 3 blocks off a major highway and 4 miles (as the crow flies) from I-35/I-90 interchange. And not to mention the Union Pacific "Spline Line" and Canadian Pacific "Jackson sub" runs right through the middle of town at all hours.
So I'm not upset by louder exhaust loud pipes save lives. The bass coming out of my neighbors newer 300, that's what grinds my gears.
Also it's the 12 am - 6 am trains either speeding up exiting or slowing down coming into town that I can't stand. So are the Railroads also subjected to said noise ordinances?

 

[Gerald Morris]

Sure we do. We have every right to do what we want to our vehicles that we pay for and no one can say we can’t. Heck, I can swap mufflers and remain 100% legal and offend someone…

Regardless of the current state of affairs, it’s STILL a free country.

And I drive straight piped Cummins diesels every day….

Ah, what pure-dee old style Yankee individualism. I for one also like to use the stuff I pay good $ for as I see fit, My understanding of Liberty always has been that my Right ends when it impinges on another, non-consenting Individual's. For example, these modern crapitalist computer slopware vendors force the buyer to sign a contract consenting to the line, "What's mine is mine, and what's thine ALSO is MINE!" Ergo, I WON'T allow proprietary suckware operating systems to even attach to my home network, which runs only Free Operating Systems and Software.

I don't cotton to Karen, Nambi, or Pambi telling me where I can tote my IRON, be it edged or projectile launching. Now, if I should hurl hot lead into some critter's corpus, I would pray I only do so as a defense of MY Liberty and Person, and NOT to rob anyone else of theirs.

Likewise, when I DRIVE iron around, I like to do so as I see fit, providing this excludes running over or into another individual's person or goods. HERE is where things get tricky though.

I would like to see the old DOT regulations regarding headlight luminosity enforced with the UTMOST rigor! At night, over-bright headlights BLIND drivers both oncoming and moving in front in the same direction. THIS CLEARLY IMPINGES ON THE RIGHT, PERSON and PROPERTY OF OTHER DRIVERS! It recklessly endangers their lives in fact. This matter could and should be legislated a bit, as much as I loathe and distrust the sorts who do this. I for one am photophobic, and while night glasses can filter some excessive light from my retinae, they do so at the cost of degrading my ability to see things not so well illuminated, endangering them. OK, Let there be Law here.

Now SOUND, while intrusive, doesn't bear directly on vehicle safety, or that of pedestrians as light. Be this as it may, I wouldn't begrudge, or overrule the collective right of some community, call it Karenville, In Nambipambi County maybe, to enact some LOCAL ordinance against over-loud motor vehicles, so long as such allows for THROUGH TRAFFIC, if such HAD TO EXIST in Karenville.

But folks in major urban areas, such as Sodomandgomorrah U.S.A. let's say, have NOT such a right, at least over their entire City, as such invariably have through traffic. Now their neighborhoods, burroughs, shires and such within might be allowed to enact their own "quiet zone" laws, so long as they allow righteous drivers passing by to go on their merry, rocking, rolling, hot-rodding way by.

The KEY TO CIVILIZED DISCOURSE HERE FOLKS IS:.....COMPROMISE!

When a hot blooded youth of 17, I lacked the Wisdom for this. In some matters, I have the Wisdom NOT TO DO IT, but in MOST affairs, I deem it the optimum Way for Folk to live together.

FWTFIW....

 

[LocuMob]

Loud pipes save lives.

 

[Imperial dude]

For those who are against noise y'all listen to this. Where I live pop. 18,000ish, 3 blocks off a major highway and 4 miles (as the crow flies) from I-35/I-90 interchange. And not to mention the Union Pacific "Spline Line" and Canadian Pacific "Jackson sub" runs right through the middle of town at all hours.
So I'm not upset by louder exhaust loud pipes save lives. The bass coming out of my neighbors newer 300, that's what grinds my gears.
Also it's the 12 am - 6 am trains either speeding up exiting or slowing down coming into town that I can't stand. So are the Railroads also subjected to said noise ordinances?

Several years ago, they built a Marriott, in the middle of town, right next to the railroad tracks, the train isn't allowed to blow its horn during certain hours because it will disturb the guests at the Marriot

 

[LocuMob]

Several years ago, they built a Marriott, in the middle of town, right next to the railroad tracks, the train isn't allowed to blow its horn during certain hours because it will disturb the guests at the Marriot

They've gone to hornless crossings in many cities around the Minneapolis/St Paul suburbs. I used to live two blocks away from the tracks, but the noise was blocked by grain elevators. They tore those down, and I could hear the clicking of whatever on the engines as they idled like they were ten feet away. But I love trains, so I didn't mind.