oem style or modern or no difference

armyvet25

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For my 78 Newport 400ci with AC
are the oem style t-stats as good or better, or really no discernible difference?
400 cubic inch with AC 160 deg t-stat
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I will have to say I've had more sticky or pin pop outs in the modern style
also posted on FBBO as some not on here who may own C bodies
 
(160*F thermostat in Ohio? OEM was 196*F, but 180*F works well, too.)

The one on the left is what Chrysler used up until about the earlier 1970s. Back then, the company that built it was Robert Shaw. If you read their information on how and why that design can work better, you'll realize it is a better basic design. But, Robert Shaw stopped building those thermostats by about 1975. Now, I think Mr. Gasket sells them at increased prices?

The one on the right is not "modern" at all! That design was around back when the Robert Shaw items were used by Chrysler. It is just that that is what everybody (including GM and others) used, then as now. Obviously cost less to produce, too (which is why GM used it). I would term this style "generic".

In some engines, with the "other" style, the temp gauges can indicate "overshoot" (where the temp goes past the opening point, it opens, and then the temp goes down to its normal amount. To minimize this, some techs would drill a small hole in the "flap" to bleed coolant past the valve to prevent this. Sometimes, with a "jiggle pin" in the hole, too. I think Stant and a few others offer a "HD" version, too, which is supposed to be better, butr they all look the same, as the "HD" version costs more. Possibly a marketing issue to make more money? Who knows?

At THIS point in time, to me, the Robert Shaw-style thermostat is still the best design, but is now close to $25.00USD in price. Not sure how much the other one is now, so check the catalogs at Rock Auto for pricing. I heard manufacturing of this style of thermostat went "off-shore", so quality and reliability is probably not as good as it was 50 years ago. The "other" style has probably been off-shore for that long, too, just we might not have known it. "Buy the brand" can be the best option, with Stant being one of the oldest brands of thermostats in existence. Getting one in an OEM brand might work too.

"Off-shore" manufacturers CAN build decent parts. Afterall, the OEMs have plants there to build cars for the Chinese marketplace as well as "the world". The parts that come from there CAN be good, but will be what their USA or Euro customers desire to pay for, to hit a certain price point. GM is a big player in the Chinese vehicle market, who used to build some vehicles there for export to the USA, until about a year ago.

"Crap shoot"? Very probably. Consider getting something that you can get easily-warrantied, if need be, LOCALLY and save your purchase receipt (in a totally safe and cool place)!

When buying coolant, get the one (now marked) marked "CONCENTRATE" as that is what used to be "normal" when the cars were built. The 50/50 premix might sound good, BUT consider that about 1/2 of the cooling system's capacity is in the engine block. If you use clear water to flush the system, when the radiator stops draining, using the 50/50 premix, combined with the water in the block, will further DILUTE that 50/50 mix. Hence, LESS freeze protection!

The desired -20*F coolant protection is quoted for a 50-50 mix of antifreeze and water (hopefully distilled water). In our factory a/c Chrysler products with the 26" radiator, I could coax another quart of coolant in (total of 9 quarts of antifreeze) into the OEM radiator, for a total of -34*F protection. Some of the newer aluminum tupes can take less, which makes using the "Concentrate" more important. The cars came with the "old" green coolant in them, so that should be plenty good to use now.

Sorry for the length. Shop wisely, what works for you.

Just some thoughts, experiences, and observations,
CBODY67
 
I agree with CBODY67, a 180° is a good choice.

DON'T buy a cheap one and always test in in a pan of water on the stove with a thermometer before installing.
 
after chasing some overheating issues on my camper a while ago...Stant no longer exists...every FLAPS thermostat I bought regardless of house brand was a Motorad (Israel based)...the fun part was I removed a good one and installed a defective one as part of my troubleshooting...boiling the old one with the new one revealed this...the third one worked...so looks like quality control is a crapshoot ...this is for the "generic" style...my original one failed when the pin broke through the bridge across the top so I had wanted to try the Robert Shaw design but it wasn't available for my application....the Robert Shaw style is reproduced by MrGasket but I've heard they are chinese and there have been issues as per other forums, not my personal experience...I believe Flowcooler also sells the Robert Shaw style idk if it comes from the same place as Mr Gasket's....that being said I've used the generic style in my Fury for 25 years with no problems...it used to be if you had something apart you'd replace everything you could preemptively...now I'm afraid to replace anything that works for fear of putting in a bad one
 
When you buy the 50/50 coolant just know half that price you are paying is for WATER, and half for antifreeze. $6-$7 for half a gallon of water, plus tax!

The concentrate is a much cheaper product of you do the math. And mixing it yourself with water is not rocket science.
 
I put a 160 degree from rock auto in my engine and I'm regretting it, with an aluminum radiator the engine simply will not warm up in the winter even if it's only 40 degrees outside and the heater never gets warm enough, the gauge never reads over 150 unless you drive it wide open and put some heat in it. It never overheats in the summer when its 100 though
 
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