Original miles.... really?

[Northern Australia]

With respect, have you guys ever seen an ad for any vehicle that doesn't say 'original miles'? I mean, how could you ever know? I would be surprised if my Newport had done less than 230,662 miles....

It's kinda like your new girlfriend telling you she's a virgin. It's a nice thought, but impossible to believe....

While I think we were generations behind in Australia in terms of vehicle features, we added the extra digit to the odometer relatively early so you could tell with some confidence how far the vehicle had been driven up to 1,000,000 kms.

Even then, I was nearly caught out when looking at buying a Ford offered for sale at 250,000 kms. Close examination showed it was a taxi that had travelled 1,250,000 kms... I apologise in advance for making the admission that I also own a non-mopar vehicle

 

[CBODY67]

It probably has more to do with knowing the odometer has not been tampered with than anything else. In the 1960s, some (or more) used car dealers were suspected (some were caught!!) decreasing the indicated mileage on some of the cars they were selling. Like if it is "clean", they might make that 80K mile car a 60k mile car, so for an small cost, they could get more money for the car. It became a cottage industry of sorts, "out of sight" and a part of the "reconditioning process", sometimes, the car was put through before it hit the sales lot.

So, manyh consumer-oriented magazine articles appeared, over time, on how to tell if an odometer had been altered. There were telltale signs if the speedometer was removed from the instrument panel, but consumers were advised to look for "wear areas" that might have been touched-up and such.

There were even "wive's tales" of dealers putting the rear axle on jackstands, so the rear wheels were elevated, and then "driving" the wheels in Reverse to make the odometer run backwards. Sounds interesting, but how long would it take to "reverse" for 20k miles?

Of course, they could also take the car to a speedometer repair shop and claim it was making noise. Which could have been "code" to the repair shop . . .

So, "original miles" means "reasonably-verified" miles which can be reconciled against analog service records and such.

In modern times, there are so many electronic records out there, at least in the USA, where service providers provide their repair order information to third parties (as in CarFax and similar) so the history of the car can be tracked, for a small fee. Even if an insurance claim for damage repairs was paid. Oil changes, registration renewals, damage reports, ownership changes, and such. Many car dealers offer an icon on their websites so a prospective owner can see that report "for free" before they purchase the vehicle.

I happened across a shop that did paint protection films and ceramic paint coatings which proudly noted that their vehicle enhancements were reported to CarFax. This way, what he did was digitally documented for insurance company use or for prospective purchasers of the car in later years.

In Texas and other states, once the vehicle passes 100k miles or so, no Odometer Statement is required for the used car transaction. Yes, dealers have to do an official statement of the vehicle's mileage when they trade for or buy it. They can then show that to the prospective buyer. That mileage amount might have been increased a bit as so many used vehicles are being sold with over 200k miles on them, at the independent used car dealers, it seems. BUT with most vehicles now coming with 6-digit odometers (6 digits left of the decimal point), such odometer statements might be not needed as they were in the prior times of the 5-digit odometers.

Take care,
CBODY67

 

[Northern Australia]

It probably has more to do with knowing the odometer has not been tampered with than anything else. In the 1960s, some (or more) used car dealers were suspected (some were caught!!) decreasing the indicated mileage on some of the cars they were selling. Like if it is "clean", they might make that 80K mile car a 60k mile car, so for an small cost, they could get more money for the car. It became a cottage industry of sorts, "out of sight" and a part of the "reconditioning process", sometimes, the car was put through before it hit the sales lot.

So, manyh consumer-oriented magazine articles appeared, over time, on how to tell if an odometer had been altered. There were telltale signs if the speedometer was removed from the instrument panel, but consumers were advised to look for "wear areas" that might have been touched-up and such.

There were even "wive's tales" of dealers putting the rear axle on jackstands, so the rear wheels were elevated, and then "driving" the wheels in Reverse to make the odometer run backwards. Sounds interesting, but how long would it take to "reverse" for 20k miles?

Of course, they could also take the car to a speedometer repair shop and claim it was making noise. Which could have been "code" to the repair shop . . .

So, "original miles" means "reasonably-verified" miles which can be reconciled against analog service records and such.

In modern times, there are so many electronic records out there, at least in the USA, where service providers provide their repair order information to third parties (as in CarFax and similar) so the history of the car can be tracked, for a small fee. Even if an insurance claim for damage repairs was paid. Oil changes, registration renewals, damage reports, ownership changes, and such. Many car dealers offer an icon on their websites so a prospective owner can see that report "for free" before they purchase the vehicle.

I happened across a shop that did paint protection films and ceramic paint coatings which proudly noted that their vehicle enhancements were reported to CarFax. This way, what he did was digitally documented for insurance company use or for prospective purchasers of the car in later years.

In Texas and other states, once the vehicle passes 100k miles or so, no Odometer Statement is required for the used car transaction. Yes, dealers have to do an official statement of the vehicle's mileage when they trade for or buy it. They can then show that to the prospective buyer. That mileage amount might have been increased a bit as so many used vehicles are being sold with over 200k miles on them, at the independent used car dealers, it seems. BUT with most vehicles now coming with 6-digit odometers (6 digits left of the decimal point), such odometer statements might be not needed as they were in the prior times of the 5-digit odometers.

Take care,
CBODY67

Thanks CBODY67. I just see so many advertisements on this (and other sites) that say original miles of 99,999 miles or less. When all of the cars are at least 50 years old, it seems to be at best very unlikely.

Maybe I'm an exception, but I drive 30,000 miles each year. I would reach the 99,999 mile mark in about 3.5 years...It gives me pause for though as to what the advertised vehicles have been doing for the other 45 plus years of their history....

I guess I am interested in whether people really believe the 'original miles' claim, or whether it is just the expected puffery that almost all vehicle vendors use by convention as a matter of practice.... If I ever sell my Newport (which I never will), I would not claim it has 30,622 original miles. Maybe it does, but I doubt any vehicle that is 20,524 days old would have been driven less than 1.5 miles per day... Yet almost every advertisement for historic vehicles, Mopar or otherwise, claims to have been driven so sparingly.

I'm going to drive my Newport from Darwin to Melbourne to visit family in a few months, and that will be a 5,700 mile return journey by the most direct route. There will probably be another 1,000 extra miles or so of commuting to visit friends and family in Canberra and Brisbane. So if you ever see my Newport for sale - it definitely won't include the words 'original miles'

 

[CBODY67]

In the USA, the average miles/year (when your car was new) was considered to be 12K miles/year. Most people spent less than an hour commuting to work or wherever, but this could vary with geography and such. In a more=city environment, that hour might be 15miles, or it could be 65 miles in a more rural environment. Although urban sprawl is happening in the metro areas, some commutes have become 1.5 hours each way, mostly on freeway/Interstate highway. So now, the average miles might be closer to 15K miles/year.

IF I was considering a car showing 30K miles, I'd be looking under the hood for things which would not normally have been changed in the first 30K miles of driving. Plug wires, hoses, OEM shocks, OEM fan clutch, etc. Similar as to wear on the brake pedal pads and such, looking fo "wear areas" and such. Knowing that some of those things will have more "age-related" issues than mileage related issues. THEN there is the general feel of the car as it drives and hit bumps, too. Plus how tight are the hinges on the driver's door. A combination of things. But some things which dilligent maintenance might mask, too. Asking to see any service repair orders (or looking in the door frame for oil change stickers!) can help verify the mileage too. Usually, if "original miles" is being claimed, service records are usually offered to see.

Looks and "feels" are important, IF one knows what to look for, to me.

CBODY67

 

[Northern Australia]

In the USA, the average miles/year (when your car was new) was considered to be 12K miles/year. Most people spent less than an hour commuting to work or wherever, but this could vary with geography and such. In a more=city environment, that hour might be 15miles, or it could be 65 miles in a more rural environment. Although urban sprawl is happening in the metro areas, some commutes have become 1.5 hours each way, mostly on freeway/Interstate highway. So now, the average miles might be closer to 15K miles/year.

IF I was considering a car showing 30K miles, I'd be looking under the hood for things which would not normally have been changed in the first 30K miles of driving. Plug wires, hoses, OEM shocks, OEM fan clutch, etc. Similar as to wear on the brake pedal pads and such, looking fo "wear areas" and such. Knowing that some of those things will have more "age-related" issues than mileage related issues. THEN there is the general feel of the car as it drives and hit bumps, too. Plus how tight are the hinges on the driver's door. A combination of things. But some things which dilligent maintenance might mask, too. Asking to see any service repair orders (or looking in the door frame for oil change stickers!) can help verify the mileage too. Usually, if "original miles" is being claimed, service records are usually offered to see.

Looks and "feels" are important, IF one knows what to look for, to me.

CBODY67

I think you're right... I have probably only average mechanical skills, but I could pick out a vehicle that was being sold as having travelled 155,000 miles when it had actually covered 780,000 miles... Amongst other things, all of the internal switches had been completely worn beyond all recognition from use 24/7 as a taxi. The rig was lined in plastic and rubber so it could be hosed out after the sort of accidents that generally occur in taxis... I was kinda amazed that any, any vehicle could even cover 780,000 miles - I mean, that is around the world at the equator well over 30 times, but I was equally unimpressed that the vendor was selling mutton dressed as lamb (not sure if that is a phrase you guys use in the US).

If records have been kept, that is a great form of substantiation. But I have never bought a vehicle older than 3 years that has ever had a complete service history. I keep meticulous records to confirm the provenance of my vehicles, but I suspect I may be in the minority - my car enthusiast mates wonder why I bother. But my 2022 6.4 (392) Chrysler will be a classic one day, or so I think Time will tell...

Thanks again for your helpful comments.

 

[Big_John]

With respect, have you guys ever seen an ad for any vehicle that doesn't say 'original miles'? I mean, how could you ever know? I would be surprised if my Newport had done less than 230,662 miles....

You don't know and chances are you never will know. Records from the 60's and 70's were paper and probably long gone. Even if the records are around, you probably can't access them.

I guess I am interested in whether people really believe the 'original miles' claim, or whether it is just the expected puffery that almost all vehicle vendors use as a matter of practice.

While there are honest sellers out there, there's a lot that aren't. Then you have some sellers that are repeating what they believe is the truth or just repeating what they were told.

All you can do is look at the overall condition of the car in question.

 

[amazinblue82]

before "modern" (Carfax, etc., ) VIN tracking, law changes, anti-tampering /digital vs analog dashes, etc , steps taken by OEM's, it was easier to scam on the mileage unless there is a credible paper trail, or you have personal knowledge of the car's history.

As been said above, chances are you'll never know actual mileage on a 5-digit VIN/odo car. I go into those potential deals adding 100k in my mind, and looking for evidence its NOT THAT.

i am naturally skeptical of claimed "original mileage" absent a paper trail or first hand knowledge. Doesnt mean i wont look at such cars. just means my buyer bias is seller is just mistaken or just really doesnt know true mileage (vs. a scammer). and any serious transaction discussion, if we get there, goes better if we both can agree actual mileage may not be whats showing.

45+ years at the hobby, i am hard (not impossible, but as the cliche goes, "i was born at night ... but not last night) to fool. ).

I look hard at the condition/operation, and other attributes (age, cleanliness, smells, alterations, wear patterns, witness marks indicative of unreasonable R&R's at mileage showing) and you'll be able to decide what its worth to you. and just plain old common sense (really, how likely is it a 60 year old car has under 40k "original" miles. "possible", sure, "likely", no).

EOD, if i like it, me and seller in good faith have a meeting of the minds on price/terms, its coming home with me.

 

[Northern Australia]

You don't know and chances are you never will know. Records from the 60's and 70's were paper and probably long gone. Even if the records are around, you probably can't access them.

While there are honest sellers out there, there's a lot that aren't. Then you have some sellers that are repeating what they believe is the truth or just repeating what they were told.

All you can do is look at the overall condition of the car in question.

I like your reply - there are a range of vendors on the spectrum. Most people probably rely upon what they were originally told in terms of millage. In the absence of more reliable information, I would probably fall into that category.

You guys had such great technology, even back in 1969. Since joining this forum, I now have to save up to buy a 1969 Imperial. I know it will be money well spent.

Sadly, our automotive manufacturing in Australia ceased in 2017. While we manufactured a supercharged V8 that covered the quarter mile in 12.1 seconds (HSV GTS Gen-F specs, 0-60, quarter mile, lap times - FastestLaps.com), it didn't have features including the self-dimming high beam lights some Mopars had in 1969.

This discussion has highlighted one feature we in Australia were more progressive on - we introduced the six-digit odometer almost 10 years earlier than you guys. It was certainly not because we were more technologically advanced. Volvo introduced six-digit odometers a year or two earlier than we did in 1969 (First cars with 6 digit odometer).

Given Buzz Aldrin had already landed on the moon by that time, the addition of an extra digit on an odometer probably wasn't a technological challenge for you guys. If you can successfully land on the moon, pretty sure you could put an extra digit on your odometers (if you wanted to).

My speculation is that the protracted retention of five-digit odometers for such a long time in the US was a marketing strategy to maximize the residual value of pre-owned vehicles. Even 50 years later, we don't (and can't) know how far our vehicles have really travelled (including mine). 30,266 miles kinda looks better than 130,266 miles, or 230,266 miles, or 330,266 miles and so and so forth....

Two generations after the manufacture of US vehicles, many (if not most) advertisements say 'original miles'. That may be right or it may be wrong. As we say in legal circles, what you don't know can't get you in trouble.

But if you said anything misleading about the odometer in Australia, a $50,000 fine applies. If you search Australian Chryslers for sale in the late 1960s and 1970s, many have done between 185,000 miles to 320,000 miles. It is simply impossible to get US Mopars of the same era to display that sort of milage because the recording mechanism was (in my respectful submission) quite intentionally limited in it's range (of a maximum of 99,999 miles).

A family friend's Valiant of that era even clocked up 620,000 miles. Without the addition of that extra single digit on the odometer, it would simply display 20,000 miles.

Australia and the US are similar in many ways - including in terms of land area - so it is somewhat odd that Australian Chryslers tend to travel many, many times further than US Chryslers. Are Australian Chryslers any better than US Chryslers?

Having driven both, I can confirm they are pretty much the same. Your roads are much better - but that doesn't help explain why so many Australian Chryslers have accumulated hundreds of thousands of miles, whilst almost every US Mopar has less than 99,999 original miles.

Having driven all over the US and Australia, I would say our interest in cars and driving preferences are very similar. You guys like big cars that go fast - just as we do.

To show my hand, I doff my hat to your automotive marketing teams. Leaving out a digit on the odometer for so long was marketing genius. I admire the way you guys got away with it for so long. I can never know whether my Chrysler has driven 30,662 miles or 1,030,662 miles. Putting ethics to one side, it is simply great marketing.

And the credit is not just with Mopar, all the other manufacturers including Ford and Chevrolet were obviously doing the same thing - no doubt sharing a Budweiser or two over a long lunch

 

[Big_John]

This discussion has highlighted one feature we in Australia were more progressive on - we introduced the six-digit odometer almost 10 years earlier than you guys. It was certainly not because we were more technologically advanced. Volvo introduced six-digit odometers a year or two earlier than we did in 1969 (First cars with 6 digit odometer). Given Buzz Aldrin had already landed on the moon by that time, the addition of an extra digit on an odometer probably wasn't a technological challenge for you guys.

The mindset at the time was that 100K miles and the car was done. If the wear didn't kill it, the environment did (especially where I live). The automakers wanted you to go buy a ne car before that "magic" 100k mark hit.

So, IMHO, it was more about selling new cars than anything else. I think that as the more dependable Toyotas and the like started racking a lot of miles, Detroit took some lessons from Japan and started building cars that could go well over that 100k mark.

When I was a kid and used to ride dinosaurs to school, I remember looking at used cars at a local lot with my Dad. Every car on that lot had less than 100 miles on it..... So every single car had its odometer rolled back and you had no idea what the real mileage was. Somewhere in the late 60's or early 70's, they made that practice illegal in New York State. But to get around that, all they had to do as affix a riveted tag to the door jamb.... One little rivet that might conveniently "fall off" as it went through a used car prep or worse yet, an auction.


The opening scene in the movie "Used Cars" is a good one for here.

 

[CBODY67]

You also have to understand that many people, in the 1960s, would trade cars every three years or so, if not annually, "before things started going wrong with them". Those cars usually had less than 50K miles on them, location dependent. So with a little work, they'd go another 50K or so before any major powertrain work was needed. By the third owner, mileage became less important than condition and operation.

By the earlier '80s, vehicles were getting more expensive and a normal financing period had edged into the 4-year car note. Which could put more pressure on condition and durability of the vehicle itself. And the pricing got worse as time progressed and vehicle costs escalated.

In the later 1960s, $75K was a very hihg-class 3 bedroom/2 bath/large 2 car garage/brick house with a privacy-fenced back yard, on a lot that would keep "somebody" busy on weekends mowing and trimming trees/shrubs. Now, through various things, that can easily be a high-trim RAM pickup truck with 4 drs/infotainment/automatic windshield wipers.

The automatic headlight dimmer was a Cadillac feature from about 1965, from the Guide Division of General Motors. Who also sold other brands that unit. Just like Saginaw Division of GM sold tilt steering columns to other brands, too. Delco Radio did similar with "WonderBar" search tuner radios. In many cases, the purchasing OEM would have design input to better match THEIR cars rather than it look like a transplanted GM item.

Enjoy!
CBODY67

 

[King Hooter]

My Imperial just crossed over 50,000 miles. But that is since the digital gauge cluster was replaced. I do however two Mopar decals stating that the mileage was at 94,000 when she became un- fuel injected.

 

[Northern Australia]

I understand where you guys are coming from.... but even in Australia as early as 1965 falcons did a demonstration that their product could go for 70 000 miles non-stop at over 70 miles per hour Ford's 1965 Falcon-Mobil 70,000 Mile Durability Run

All of the 1970s Chryslers with 265 Hemi engines (like the one in the picture) I drove continued to be reliable up to between 215,000 miles to 240,000 miles. I am confident that any Mopar would reach 99,999 miles. I even remember driving a 1969 225 ci slant 6 Valiant across Victoria for several hours at 100 mph. It was pretty effortless and smooth.

The 383 big block cruises better in the Northern Territory at up to 120 mph, but the highway conditions are generally average, so I usually only sit on around 90 to 100 mph. There should be no embarrassment when the locals overtake you right ???

I can understand why Mopar would have liked to have turned vehicles over every 100,000 miles, but they would have known their products had far greater longevity than that. If they didn't do it themselves, they would have looked at lesser fords doing 70 000 miles at over 70 miles per hour....

The odometer limit of 5 figures was uniquely a USA thing up to the early 1980s - and I continue to think it was clever. I see cars advertised over here with 400,000 plus miles. I'm not interested in vehicles with that sort of milage. But cutting off the milage at 99,999 at that time seems like a reasonable business decision by Mopar.

 

[Big_John]

I understand where you guys are coming from.... but even in Australia as early as 1965 falcons did a demonstration that their product could go for 70 000 miles non-stop at over 70 miles per hour Ford's 1965 Falcon-Mobil 70,000 Mile Durability Run

All of the 1970s Chryslers with 265 Hemi engines (like the one in the picture) I drove continued to be reliable up to between 215,000 miles to 240,000 miles. I am confident that any Mopar would reach 99,999 miles. I even remember driving a 1969 225 ci slant 6 Valiant across Victoria for several hours at 110 mph.

I can understand why Mopar would have liked to have turned vehicles over every 100,000 miles, but they would have known their products had far greater longevity than that. If they didn't do it themselves, they would have looked at lesser fords doing 70 000 miles at over 70 miles per hour....

The odometer limit of 5 figures was uniquely a USA thing up to the early 1980s - and I continue to think it was clever. I see cars advertised over here with 400,000 plus miles. I'm not interested in vehicles with that sort of milage. But cutting off the milage at 99,999 at that time seems like a reasonable business decision by Mopar.

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There's a lot of things that age our cars here. Around my area, the drivetrain might have been going strong at 100k, but a good chance the body was toast.

Road salt on my last company car. It kills cars.

Yes, there were cars that went way past the 100k mark. Taxi cabs for example. Well maintained cars had the possibility to go the distance too, but by the time they were second and third hand cars, they stopped having regular maintenance. A lot of that was due to them being very cheap to buy so it didn't make sense to spend a lot of cash keeping them up.

 

[Northern Australia]

There's a lot of things that age our cars here. Around my area, the drivetrain might have been going strong at 100k, but a good chance the body was toast.

Road salt on my last company car. It kills cars.

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Yes, there were cars that went way past the 100k mark. Taxi cabs for example. Well maintained cars had the possibility to go the distance too, but by the time they were second and third hand cars, they stopped having regular maintenance. A lot of that was due to them being very cheap to buy so it didn't make sense to spend a lot of cash keeping them up.

Hey Big John

That looks really bad - fortunately we don't have to use road salt here, but that stuff really bangs up your vehicles.... isn't there something else you guys could use? It must kill all of your vehicles within only a few years....

I'm starting to understand the 100K thing if that is what salt does to everyone's vehicles. It must be a massive cost for you guys.

Daniel

 

[Big_John]

Hey Big John

That looks really bad - fortunately we don't have to use road salt here, but that stuff really bangs up your vehicles.... isn't there something else you guys could use? It must kill all of your vehicles within only a few years....

I'm starting to understand the 100K thing if that is what salt does to everyone's vehicles. It must be a massive cost for you guys.

Daniel

The newer cars hold up better in the crap. Better design and better materials.

When Chrysler introduced the Plymouth Volare/Dodge Aspen, they didn't design the front inner fenders correctly and after one winter, Chrysler recalled them all for new front fenders because the fenders rusted that fast. Get into older cars and the outside of the body doesn't look bad, but the floors are falling out.

Get out west, and the bodies were good, but the interiors baked out in the sun.

It really comes down to "planned obsolescence" that the car makers figured these cars had 5-10 years in them and the public was used to replacing their cars every 3-5 years. When prices went up and 2-3 year loans became 5 year loans, suddenly the cars needed to last a little longer. If it didn't last, the buyer went down the street to Toyota and bought one that did.

Cars also got updated looks every year and every 2-3 years was a total re-style. Now the cars don't change much, if at all for years. People wanted the newest and that old Chrysler that we cherish looked really old when compared to the new Ford or Chevy the neighbors bought.

Road salt is the cheapest way to de-ice the roads. Some places use sand instead, especially where it's colder and the road salt doesn't work.

 

[Northern Australia]

The newer cars hold up better in the crap. Better design and better materials.

When Chrysler introduced the Plymouth Volare/Dodge Aspen, they didn't design the front inner fenders correctly and after one winter, Chrysler recalled them all for new front fenders because the fenders rusted that fast. Get into older cars and the outside of the body doesn't look bad, but the floors are falling out.

Get out west, and the bodies were good, but the interiors baked out in the sun.

It really comes down to "planned obsolescence" that the car makers figured these cars had 5-10 years in them and the public was used to replacing their cars every 3-5 years. When prices went up and 2-3 year loans became 5 year loans, suddenly the cars needed to last a little longer. If it didn't last, the buyer went down the street to Toyota and bought one that did.

Cars also got updated looks every year and every 2-3 years was a total re-style. Now the cars don't change much, if at all for years. People wanted the newest and that old Chrysler that we cherish looked really old when compared to the new Ford or Chevy the neighbors bought.

Road salt is the cheapest way to de-ice the roads. Some places use sand instead, especially where it's colder and the road salt doesn't work.

I didn't realise how hostile your climate is for cars - I thought the tropics were bad !!!

I remember driving somewhere between Shiprock and Albequeue when it was -23 celcius (don't know what that is in farenheit) - but cars were sliding off the road everywhere....

Out of interest, is the splash shield under the radiator for salt protection?

Where I live, it's all about Toyota. People will wait up to a year for delivery of a Hi-lux, Prado or Land Cruiser.... They have nailed the market in the Australian outback... Although they have dropped their V8, so it will be interesting to see how the market responds to that...

Whenever I go out to mine sites, they are all Toyotas - hundreds of light vehicles.... and Catepillar loaders, dozers and haul trucks.....

But, they don't look as good as our C Body Chryslers !!! Even young people ask me about the car - who says the younger generation don't have good taste

 

[marko]

The automatic headlight dimmer was a Cadillac feature from about 1965, from the Guide Division of General Motors. Who also sold other brands that unit. Just like Saginaw Division of GM sold tilt steering columns to other brands, too. Delco Radio did similar with "WonderBar" search tuner radios. In many cases, the purchasing OEM would have design input to better match THEIR cars rather than it look like a transplanted GM item.

Enjoy!
CBODY67

1959 was the 1st year that the automatic headlight dimmer was available in Imperials, not sure when for GM

 

[CBODY67]

1959 was the 1st year that the automatic headlight dimmer was available in Imperials, not sure when for GM

Google AI indicates the Autronic Eye was on 1952 Olds and Cadillac cars, factory option.

 

[Northern Australia]

Google AI indicates the Autronic Eye was on 1952 Olds and Cadillac cars, factory option.

Amazingly progressive technology for that time.... I suppose it was from that development that automatic stopping of vehicles that seems to be popular today evolved...

 

[Northern Australia]

Google AI indicates the Autronic Eye was on 1952 Olds and Cadillac cars, factory option.

Great technology for the time... Like all other options, it was probably expensive and never entered the mainstream market....