Oroville Dam

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MoPar Maniac said:
No. OUR wall. And that is a fedgov project. And a Constituionally mandated one.
Maybe it wouldnt be needed if Kalifornia didnt give money and sanctuary to illegals.
They could use that money for other constitutional things. Or...heaven forbid....REDUCE TAXES.
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Like Will said.....................................
 
saylor said:
has it failed yet? . . .
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No. Water level is receding. If it stays below 880 feel all will be well. The damaged spillway will still be used, although it will continue to dump rocks and dirt into the river. The hill it's on is being torn away. They are worried about possible rain on Thursday.
 
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commando1 said:
Found on Wiki. Verrrrrry interesting...

On October 17, 2005 three environmental groups filed a motion with the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission urging federal officials to require that the dam’s emergency spillway be armored with concrete, rather than remain as an earthen spillway and that it did not meet modern safety standards. "In the event of extreme rain and flooding, fast-rising water would overwhelm the main concrete spillway, then flow down the emergency spillway, and that could cause heavy erosion that would create flooding for communities downstream, but also could cause a failure, known as 'loss of crest control.'" FERC and water agencies responsible for the cost of the upgrades said it was unnecessary and concerns were overblown.[25][26]

In 2006, a senior civil engineer sent a memo to his managers stating “The emergency spillway meets FERC’s engineering guidelines for an emergency spillway,” and that “The guidelines specify that during a rare flood event, it is acceptable for the emergency spillway to sustain significant damage."[27]
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Yes Stanley, plus an inspection in 2013 of the main spillway revealed cracks in the cement, yet nothing was done. After all, we were going to have another four years of drought; plenty of time to fix it. That's why the people of Oroville are so pissed right now.
 
MoPar Maniac said:
And a Constituionally mandated one.
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Really? Please tell us where in the Constitution it says that? Trump shouldn't have nominated an originalist for the Supreme Court if he wants to find a mandate for a wall there.

And it looks like Missouri spends plenty of time sucking at the federal government teat. It's number 10 on one of those lists and number 5 on the other. Oink! Oink!
 
Maybe MO gets more fedgov $ because our taxes are lower than Kalifornia's?
And we have one of the largest highway syatems.

Protecting the borders from enemies is that CotUS mandated fumction.
You obviously havent studied the document.

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The money for the wall was approved during the Bush administration. A short section was built.
 
Are you talking about Article 1, Section 8? It reads, in part: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States...." It's talking about "defense," not "the fence." Note too, the power is granted to the Congress and not to the President. The word "border" does not appear in the Constitution.

As for MO, one of those articles says that states that are more dependent on federal dollars tend to have lower taxes and more poverty (requiring more federal aid). I don't know if that is true for MO and only raised the point because you seem to think that CA stands out in the federal assistance department.
 
Jeff said:
Federal dependency by state:
Which States Rely the Most on Federal Aid? - Tax Foundation
2016’s Most & Least Federally Dependent States
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Statistics lie and you can lie with statistics.

Problem with those to two links is they only look at grants. If one looks strictly at total federal dollars spent, CA is far and away the leader. Using Pew Charitable Trusts as the source, 10 years worth of data can be searched and ordered. Sorting this list from largest to smallest on row L on this spread sheet, it's pretty easy to see. http://www.pewtrusts.org/~/media/Assets/2016/03/Federal-Spending-Data-by-State-FY200514.xlsx

They also have data on the gross value of dollars vs US GDP sent to DC from every state and CA is routinely below 25%. Yet many others outrank CA in value of dollars sent year over year.

Point is, one can make the numbers say anything you want if you look at them the right way.
 
That is a good spreadsheet, but it is hard to make direct comparisons with it. It appears to include all types of federal dollars, but is not adjusted for population, at least as far as I can tell. You would expect states like California, Texas, Florida, and New York to have larger totals than states like North Dakota. Age also matters. Look at the retirement dollars for Florida! I think that one of those two links looks beyond grants, but I haven't spent the time to dig into it. I'm glad someone came armed with data instead of bare assertions.
 
The part that talks about protecting our borders from all enemies whether the be from outside the country or within.

That part. And as I said the bill funding it was passed in 2006. And guess who had to sign it. PotUS.
So its not Trumps wall. Its the wall hussein refused to build and Congress refused to make him.
 
Soooo, how's the dam doing.
Of all states to retire to, one of the brothers just moved to Cali in Jan.
He's just south Stockton, should be fine from the dam issues.
 
rapidtrans said:
Soooo, how's the dam doing.
Of all states to retire to, one of the brothers just moved to Cali in Jan.
He's just south Stockton, should be fine from the dam issues.
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I have not been able to find a current update that actually shows the work. The media is so fixated on the primary spillway that even when the have a helicopter in the sky all the show is the water in the primary spillway. The primary spillway is not an issue, the secondary spillway (emergency/auxiliary) is where the work is. Even in the press conferences they cannot show a graphic that illustrates the work zones.

Stockton is well beyond the issue (unless a total dam failure and that isn't even an issue)


Alan
 
Evacuation Order Reduced - Residents may return home but stay ready in case the status changes.

The levels are currently low enough to not be a issue but with the impending weather things may change.


Alan
 
commando1 said:
Propaganda
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Essentially true, the issues with the spillway in no way will impact the dam. Even if there was a catastrophic failure of either or both spillways the 30-60 feet of water would not back up over 3/4 mile to the dam, this canyon opens up within a few miles of the dam. Even if the flow out of the lake (through the spillway area) was greater than the flow out of the canyon (which I doubt would be that much) the back flow as little as it is would not have the energy to eat away at the dam.

Alan
 
MrMoparCHP said:
Essentially true, the issues with....
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True. The point I was trying to make was that is an old PR release to make the residents feel all safe and cuddly.

You're safe. We're the government. Trust us...

Now tell that to the 188k evacuees.
 
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