Police, mixed up VIN and a lot of trouble...

German police operates this way: "there is a car which dosent look like any other car we have seen... lets look if there are any non registered aftermarket parts on it" They dont tell you that, instead its a general traffic stop (which yes, its legal) but in reality, they suspect you of putting illegal parts on it. Every single thing not factory must be inspected, government approved with a number stamped on it and paid for to put in the cars registration papers. If you dont do that, the car is illegal to operate on public roads and you automatically drive without insurance too. The VIN thing was just to hassle you because they didnt know what they had infron of them and couldnt determine what was original and what was not. I would have just shrugged and let THEM tell me where the number is stamped.

Ich hatte mal einen TUV pruefer, der wollte, dass ich die farbe abkratze von einem frisch lackiertem windleitblech an meinem briten, damit er die VIN besser lesen kann. Kommt garnicht in frage sowas.
 
Knebel said:
Ich hatte mal einen TUV pruefer, der wollte, dass ich die farbe abkratze von einem frisch lackiertem windleitblech an meinem briten, damit er die VIN besser lesen kann. Kommt garnicht in frage sowas.
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My German isn't that good.... But you had to scrape off some new paint so a cop could read a VIN. Did I get that right?
 
that problem could only exist if you drive it with black/white plates.
Not with red/white collector plates

Carsten
 
That dosent count for red collector plates? Are those the 07 ones? I know how it works with the H plates but no idea about collector plates...
 
yes, those are the 07 plates.
They are not an "official" registration as a result there is no "registration document" which has all details included so they can't check anything.

Despite from that: The problem you mentioned is common. But to modern cars, not classics. Exspecially on american cars they have no clue and let the people run. Different story on old Opels&VWs were they know the modifications. But again the usually hunt the "modern" tunning scene.

So I am sure in Julians case they were not looking for a problem exspecially while he was driving with a dutch registration where cops can't complain about technical mods

Carsten
 
Knebel said:
German police operates this way: "there is a car which dosent look like any other car we have seen... lets look if there are any non registered aftermarket parts on it" They dont tell you that, instead its a general traffic stop (which yes, its legal) but in reality, they suspect you of putting illegal parts on it. Every single thing not factory must be inspected, government approved with a number stamped on it and paid for to put in the cars registration papers. If you dont do that, the car is illegal to operate on public roads and you automatically drive without insurance too. The VIN thing was just to hassle you because they didnt know what they had infron of them and couldnt determine what was original and what was not. I would have just shrugged and let THEM tell me where the number is stamped.

Ich hatte mal einen TUV pruefer, der wollte, dass ich die farbe abkratze von einem frisch lackiertem windleitblech an meinem briten, damit er die VIN besser lesen kann. Kommt garnicht in frage sowas.
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To be fair, not all parts. Most parts already have a number on them (e number) and are free to install and use. Mostly parts that affect the technical safety of a car or parts that could irritate other drivers have to be checked. But I agree, sometimes, it's just bull ****.

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Haha, that's funny Stan ;) Good one!
 
Carmine said:
They tried that garbage in MI and lost in our Supreme Court. It was challenged at the Fed level and upheld (unfortunately). So MI (and 10 other states) passed laws against them.

The Feds usual M.O. Is to withhold Fed transport bribes, err, uh, "funds", but for whatever reason they haven't done that (yet).

That, and many other Nazi laws are why I wouldn't consider Ohio in the running for my "summer" state one day. That's also called competition among states, a principle I NEVER hear discussed in mass media, and something that makes the US "sorta different" in a good way. In fact, my Finnish friends understand it and appreciate it more than most Americans! Good and bad at the same time, sigh.
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Go get a CDL and a vehicle with numbers on the side and see how many "rights" you lose. Every Tom, Dick and Harry will agree that it is stopping drug trafficking, or doesn't effect me. Yeah right.
 
70bigblockdodge said:
Go get a CDL and a vehicle with numbers on the side and see how many "rights" you lose. Every Tom, Dick and Harry will agree that it is stopping drug trafficking, or doesn't effect me. Yeah right.
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I'm sure it is a bit rougher for CDL. My point was more about the diffences for "civilians" between two bordering states.

When Germany leaves the three-legged chair known as the EU, will they call it "Deuchexit" or "EU wiedersehen"?
 
Carmine said:
I'm sure it is a bit rougher for CDL. My point was more about the diffences for "civilians" between two bordering states.

When Germany leaves the three-legged chair known as the EU, will they call it "Deuchexit" or "EU wiedersehen"?
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Agreed but just because something got shot down once does not mean it will not come up over and over until someone figures out how it generates revenue greater than the projected cost of enforcement (which is never correct) then it will be passed.
 
I am a California licensed and bonded mobile VIN verifier and have come across some obvious typos on the paperwork when compared to the VIN plate, which is the purpose of the verification. For the last year and a half, all vehicles no matter the make or age needed two VINs which has caused quite a bit of a problem when many simply don’t have another. The CA DMV finally came to their senses and require only one once again on older vehicles. As for the Imperial, one is the VIN (the one on the VIN plate) while the other appears to be the seqence number which is apparently preceded by a body code or some other code that only bears a resemblance to the VIN.
 
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The second code sounds like the SON - Shipping Order Number - which is on the body plate under the hood.. The first part is the Scheduled Build Date followed by the daily sequence number.

That number is stamped on the vehicle (1960 to 1967). The number stamped on the car, though, has the model year and assembly plant prior to it. That number is unique to that car.

As you say, it looks like the VIN, but it is not.
 
Interesting! Thanks.
But even if there is a little difference, it's quite obvious that the papers are legit and correct for the car.

On this day, this was chicanery, imo...
 
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