Rear end experts

On the earlier, like '50s+ GM PTrac units, they were "locked until they unlock" The four springs kept the frictions "solid" all of the time. No engagement cams, just friction lock. The "unlock" happened when the rear wheels each had a different rotational speed, as in tight corners. This is when they'd pop as the frictions slipped. The special lube and/or additive was required. As things progressed into the 1980s, the 4 springs were replaced by a flat S-shaped spring. These were all "GM PosiTraction Limited Slip", option code G80 differentials. I believe that Ford and Chrysler used similar units, similar in design and action.

In the 1990s, GM started to use a "locker" (NOT Detroit locker!) differential. I was "unlocked until it locked". The locking action happened when wheel speed was different enough to swing a governor counterweight outward to engage a thin gear and "lock" the differential. Then, there was also an "inhibit" mechanism to unlock the locked differential when wheel speed was great enough, like highway speed. So the locking action was only at lower speeds. Initially, these axles needed no special lubes (as most lubes were now universal in nature), but the old PTrac Additive was later added-in with particular vehicle applications. By the time this was going on, all Chrysler had that was rwd was light trucks.

As I recall, the Detroit Locker and others like it did use "cams" to engage the locking action and/or clutches. I also recall reading the info about the weaknesses or the cone clutch limited slip units, too. But all of the earlier GM PTracs I've known about were spring loaded "locked until they unlock" designs.

The SLP Firebirds used an Auburn limited slip differential. When discussing some issues with one of them (read from an online forum on such), my performance mechanic associate/drag racer noted that there were different levels of Auburn differentials. And that the ones used in the Firebirds was their "lowest line" unit. I believe he said there were THREE different lines of those differentials and that the upper two lines were pretty decent items. For THIS reason, further investigation might be in order of WHICH Auburn differential is what. Not "generic", it appears.

In order to decrease failure rates, my recommendation is always to look at what the OEMs use as their optional items. This ensures that most mechanics will know what they are looking at and can then intelligently order parts, if needed. Getting into the aftermarket can be problematic in these areas, by observation. Sometimes, that "cheesy factory stuff" will hold up better than that "upgrade performance" item, by observation. IF the OEM has issues with durability and longevity (in normal use), they tweak and improve it incrementally. IF the aftermarket has problems, that part tends to disappear for a while, to possibly resurface somewhere else in a different time. In the mean time, if the first company went broke, somebody else might by marketing rights to it and start it over again. End result . . . the consumer ends up holding the bag of broke parts, usually. I first saw that Torsen-style axle advertised in the earlier 1960s. as an improvement over the factory OEM items of the time. Then little of it was seen (magazine ads and articles) until much later. BTAIM

CBODY67
 
I bought a new Auburn for a while and are planning to mount it this winter but had read (in a couple of GM forums) that if you do burnouts with Auburn LSD they worn out quick, could it be the Firebirds unit or is the Auburn cone LSD that weak?
Of course I do a little burnouts once and while just for fun and that was one of the reason I bought the Auburn, one wheel burnout in not that fun as two wheels :) but now i don't know if i dare to do burnouts inte the future when I change from my open diff to the Auburn LSD?
 
I bought a new Auburn for a while and are planning to mount it this winter but had read (in a couple of GM forums) that if you do burnouts with Auburn LSD they worn out quick, could it be the Firebirds unit or is the Auburn cone LSD that weak?
Of course I do a little burnouts once and while just for fun and that was one of the reason I bought the Auburn, one wheel burnout in not that fun as two wheels :) but now i don't know if i dare to do burnouts inte the future when I change from my open diff to the Auburn LSD?
The Camero and Firebird units were a lighter design that the aftermarket units. That having been said, if you plan on doing a lot of around the corner burnouts, you might be better served with a factory limited slip or the Eaton unit as these have more clutch surface area and will live longer. Around the corner burnouts cause one clutch pack or the other to slip which is what wears them out.

Dave
 
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To complicate things, later GM pickups use a "locking differential", not "PosiTrac" as in the earlier years. It has a governor weight mechanism that swings out and locks the two axles together, mechanically. The demo videos show a visible shudder when that happens, and then the truck drives on across that drainage ditch, diagonally, or up the hill pulling a boat, as the other brands falter and can't move.
Yes, the Govlock, works pretty good most of the time. I have seen some of them that have self destructed though, the gov weight sent through the diff cover, one that came apart and something got wedged between the case and center section splitting the case.
 
The Camero and Firebird units were a lighter design that the aftermarket units. That having been said, if you plan on doing a lot of around the corner burnouts, you might be better served with a factory limited slip or the Eaton unit as these have more clutch surface area and will live longer. Around the corner burnouts cause one clutch pack or the other to slip which is what wears them out.

Dave

OK, thanks!
I'm only doing straight ahead burnouts, not around the corner, then it should last for a while?
 
A "burnout" usually has some torque reaction to it. The front wheels might be pointed "straight ahead", but the car's rear end moves laterally. If the wheels are slipping and the car is in a corner, no issue unless "traction" happens on one of them, unexpectedly.

CBODY67
 
I know next to nothing about rear ends (on cars, not women). As I go on the Dr. Diff website, what is the difference between the clutch-type SureGrip and the Eaton Tru-Trac differentials?

Can I non-slip differential be converted to a non-slip by swapping parts in the same differential body? Or does the whole thing need to be swapped?
 
The Eaton true track is a torsion type differential with no clutch packs. It functions as an open differential when both wheels have equal traction. If one wheel loses traction the gears in the center section bind together and torque is applied to the wheel with good traction. The torsion unit applies torque via a preset aspect ratio to the wheel with traction. If the unit has a 5-1 aspect ratio, 5 times more torque is applied to the wheel with traction. On a burnout situation, it will lay two patches because both wheels have equal traction and there is a 100% lock factor.

A sure grip has a spring loaded clutch pack on either side. This allows the clutches to slip around corners but the clutches supply equal traction in a straight line situation.

An yes an open rear end can be converted by replacing the center spool with the appropriate components. You would be wanting to replace the bearing and seals as part of the upgrade at a minimum.

Dave
 
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