I had the wheel off, so here's one from that side.
Splash shield question for 69-71 300, please.
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I had the wheel off, so here's one from that side.
The end with the date is toward the front. Lower hole clips to frame shown in my first pic.
BTW, it looks like it's torn in this pic, and it is. Not a "factory" tear. LOL
Wow! Thank you greatly for those pics, Big John, AND for letting me know which end goes front. So you and Alan think what I have will work, huh? Okay, I'll give it a try and report back in a few days.
When I get done installing my new AC compressor and lines (and drier, etc), I'll turn my attention to the "flaps".
When I get done installing my new AC compressor and lines (and drier, etc), I'll turn my attention to the "flaps".
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Here's a couple pics of the splash shields that are on the DS of my 71 NYer. These are original to the car and have never been off as far as I can tell. That old school alarm horn is blocking some of the view.
commando1
Old Man with a Hat
I'm still having a problem with the fact that the shields you received and are trying to work with do not look like the ones DMT shows on the internet for your application.
You noticed that too, huh?
I'm going to try to fit what I have today, following Big John's advice.
I think some of the problem is the differences between 1969 and 1970/71 and possibly Dodge v. Plymouth v. Chrysler. I spent a little time looking at the parts books, both 1969 and 1970, and I'm more confused than ever. Chrysler's descriptions are abysmal at best for these parts.
With any of the stuff that DMT sells, he is taking samples and reproducing them. He's at the mercy of the person supplying the shield that it is the right piece to begin with and they are taking some educated guesses at what it fits. Then there's running changes in production that Chrysler did etc.
This is the best picture for this car. Specific for the '70 300.
Let's assume that whatever car these came from was original and they are accurate.
Let's assume that whatever car these came from was original and they are accurate.
And as I mentioned, those old skins are what DMT used for templates [which is why Mr. Fillmore sent it to me, instead of just calling me a dumbass and leaving it at that!
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MrMoparCHP
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In 69 all c-body used the same inner fenders and seals
In 70 some used the earlier inner fender and some had a different one (probably related to the new frame isolators some cars had)
Likewise with the seal, the 69 part number carried over and a new number was introduced.
At least that is how I translate the parts book.
Alan
In 70 some used the earlier inner fender and some had a different one (probably related to the new frame isolators some cars had)
Likewise with the seal, the 69 part number carried over and a new number was introduced.
At least that is how I translate the parts book.
Alan
That makes some sense and I was thinking alone those same lines. The '69 Stub frame was carried over to the convertibles and whatever else (my brain starts to hurt at this point), so there may be differences there... It sometimes comes down to "this works". My car isn't the best to pull info of how it was originally, but it is a "this works" reference.
So, okay. They fit exactly correctly. And my excuses for the panic attack about these flaps?
1) On both pieces, there were two holes that were not punched out, both in the same places, so both pieces looked identically wrong. The pieces were actually machine punched, but the little rubber "plug" remained in the holes and was simply invisible until I really, really looked when I was inserting the clips. Hey, no holes in the rubber were the fender had holes? These can't be right....time to panic!
2) I didn't envision the "bulge" of the rubber around the ends of the arms at the frame. I thought it would be a flap that ran mostly flat down the open area and turned horizontal and then laid across the arm (and would then have been worn down by arm motion). I also thought there should be some slits somewhere to allow that action.
3) They need to be wrestled into place, unlike all the other flat pieces and locations that are breeze to install.
So I have them clipped to the wheelhouse, but getting them to wherever the holes are in the frame should be interesting. The driver's front clashes with the brass brake fitting attached to the frame just under the battery. Wrestle, wrestle....
Massive thanks to all of you who contributed to solving my "envisioning" problem. I now have to inform DMT that I was unable to envision....
1) On both pieces, there were two holes that were not punched out, both in the same places, so both pieces looked identically wrong. The pieces were actually machine punched, but the little rubber "plug" remained in the holes and was simply invisible until I really, really looked when I was inserting the clips. Hey, no holes in the rubber were the fender had holes? These can't be right....time to panic!
2) I didn't envision the "bulge" of the rubber around the ends of the arms at the frame. I thought it would be a flap that ran mostly flat down the open area and turned horizontal and then laid across the arm (and would then have been worn down by arm motion). I also thought there should be some slits somewhere to allow that action.
3) They need to be wrestled into place, unlike all the other flat pieces and locations that are breeze to install.
So I have them clipped to the wheelhouse, but getting them to wherever the holes are in the frame should be interesting. The driver's front clashes with the brass brake fitting attached to the frame just under the battery. Wrestle, wrestle....
Massive thanks to all of you who contributed to solving my "envisioning" problem. I now have to inform DMT that I was unable to envision....
Just off the phone with Jim Fillmore.....he was quite pleased to hear that his Mega Kit is spot on for a 70 300. And he's adding (to the Kit) the small piece that goes inside the passenger frame directly under the alternator that I told him was missing. We talked for 20 minutes about the time and research he does on patterns and materials....it's a fascinating but difficult business he's in. We also talked about the extreme work that the ECS folks do.
And he did not call me a dumbass. He's too polite.
And he did not call me a dumbass. He's too polite.
And to finalize, I even got the flaps to clear the headers on the passenger side. Had to use a little silicone to glue the flap to the frame rail behind the middle clip that attached to the rail, but just enough clearance (after 120 miles of testing) to not melt that robust shield material.
All is well.
All is well.
330dTA
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Off topic: I see you are using the Saginaw PS pump instead of the original Federal pump. How do you like it?
I have no opinion on the performance of the two. My new FF box doesn't seem to care that a Sag is pumping the fluid, road feel and steering response is perfect.
As for me, I prefer the lovely, sculpted look of the early Sag's neck vs. the squat, dumpy, ugly, disgusting, repulsive look of the Fed.
The pump has been there a loooong time, as it has the requisite nicks in its old paint. I didn't install it. Someone in the 1980's probably did.
FWIW, Firm Feel had no comment that it was a Sag when I asked them to send me the correct pressure hose with my new box. They just asked "Which one you got?", as if it's normal to have either.
As for me, I prefer the lovely, sculpted look of the early Sag's neck vs. the squat, dumpy, ugly, disgusting, repulsive look of the Fed.
The pump has been there a loooong time, as it has the requisite nicks in its old paint. I didn't install it. Someone in the 1980's probably did.
FWIW, Firm Feel had no comment that it was a Sag when I asked them to send me the correct pressure hose with my new box. They just asked "Which one you got?", as if it's normal to have either.
330dTA
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All 440’s came with a Federal pump. It’s line pressure is higher that that of the Saginaw pump, and consequently, there’s supposed to be slightly more assist. 383’s came with the Saginaw pump.
Good info. I just looked in the FSM and yes, all the 440s had the Fed 1.06 pump. But it's still ugggghly!
And haven't Mopars been crucified for the past 55 years for "too much power steering assist"? That lower pressure Sag makes my 300 handle like my Vette. Almost. Sorta. Not really.Here's some interesting info for those who haven't seen this site already:
Power Steering Pumps
And then there's this from the current issue of Mopar Action. Oddly, this blurb does not mention how ugly the Fed unit is.....
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