70bigblockdodge
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That is shocking.Steve, I have to say that I agree with most of that, shocking I know. Thank you.
The People Have Spoken...
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CanCritter
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seen.....best laugh lve had all day....
Quote from some tween or teen....
"I'm moving to Canada if Trump gets elected"
You still live with your parents, you ain't going anywhere. Sit down.
Quote from some tween or teen....
"I'm moving to Canada if Trump gets elected"
You still live with your parents, you ain't going anywhere. Sit down.
seen.....best laugh lve had all day....
Quote from some tween or teen....
"I'm moving to Canada if Trump gets elected"
You still live with your parents, you ain't going anywhere. Sit down.
You need to update us with all the singers and other whatever people how claim that.
Like if their " menace " has a meaning or a weight for people.
First, miley cyrus lol.
But i have to says that such response has a bad side : now ( i am talking of france because I eared it in news and radio show ), it is an argument that you have to reconsider your vote because of troubles or risk of civil war and all bullshit ! Do you realize at what point we are ?
We had our 1st minister that said we have to live with terrorism and now journalist that we do not have to vote for a change because there is a risk ! It will the fault of people who do a "wrong vote" if there is a civil war, protests, damages or whatsoever after a national election !
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Never really cared for Michael Moore's opinion on politics, since is usually left sided, and he is entitled to that, but when I saw this youtube video of him talking to a room of everyday Americans, I thought he felt it was so important to him to inform his audience that Donald Trump was the only one running for the Presidential office that really cared about them, and would bring the lost manufacturing jobs back to Michigan. He actually sounded like and he was going to cast his vote for Trump. I thought , Wow, even Michael Moore understands.
Then, this morning on the MSNBC he was one of the guest speakers. He did commend Trump for identifying with a large section of Americans which have been struggling due to the policies of the current administration, just one of the demographics of the same people the Demo's take for granted. The left misjudged this segment of the population so badly, they did not deserve their vote, especially since Michigan is a Blue state.
But then he turned into a weenie, saying he wasn't my candidate, and he never suggested anybody vote for him, and that he voted for Hillary.
Maybe he didn't want the Hollywood elite to banish him if he voted for Trump.
Maybe he was too much of a wussy to tell the MSNBC anchors how he really felt.
What s sellout just to be PC.
Carmine
Old Man with a Hat
Steve, I have to say that I agree with most of that, shocking I know. Thank you.
I agree with most all of it myself and I'm proud to say I have an early-edition Trump sign (before they said Pence).
You know one thing I'd really like to see happen? A real critical look at exactly who gins up all this supposed "racism" and all the other "isms". For example, I've been hearing about this safety-pin movement. So I googled what it was about and turned up the article that I linked.
More interesting to me was the Huff Post's own link inside the story "racist comments about people of color in America," so I clicked to read this story... DJT is now a racist for saying that African-Americans and Hispanics in the United States are “living in hell” because inner cities are so dangerous. Frankly I was surprised to see the author even tried to put some kind of context on the quote.
Let me tell you what some real-live-black-folk I know thought of that comment... They were amazed to hear a white politician who didn't patronize them by acting like what's happening in the inner cities is "normal" or "wonderfully diverse" like politicians have done for 50 years now. And Steve, while I liked the sentiment of your post, I can also go to plenty of areas in metro Detroit and witness all the little African-American children playing side-by-side with their white friends. Grosse Pointe(s), Plymouth-Canton, Rochester Hills, etc. But you know what the common-denominator is? $$$$$$ And I know the same thing is true in California. Malibu is not Compton, just as Bloomfield Hills isn't anything like Highland Park. (As a side note, one reason Lee Iacocca moved Chrysler out of HP was because they could no longer recruit engineering talent willing to work in that war-zone area.) So in effect, once-classy HP let itself slowly fall into blight and killed its golden-goose.
Here is a street view of where I bought the Dodge Sundance showcar:
Does it strike anyone as odd to have a residential home surrounded by a 6' fence and barbed wire? Kinda like Hell, huh? Now of course I was polite and didn't act like it was unusual, even when the owner had to unchain his pitbull and put him in the house. After the tow truck pulled the car out of the yard, a young lady came along and asked if she could provide any non-automotive services in exchange for whatever cash we had available. Luckily, she asked the (local) tow driver first, who replied "Move on b****, we're workin." (Guess he's a woman-hater too, and better forget about running for President.)
Eventually, the owner of the car asked myself and my friend who we were voting for. We both said "Trump". I suppose a PC answer would have been "Oh we're all about Hillary, because she's carries Hot Sauce in her bag." But we aren't PC, and such a patronizing answer would end a serious conversation. I think he really wanted to know... Probably doesn't come into contact all that often with a couple white boys, one carrying $1000 in cash in his strangely bulging coat. So I laid down my usual thoughts about NAFTA, trade policy, etc. You know what he says to us? "I like him because he wants to build that wall. Damn, somebody needs to do something about all these damn drugs up in here."
So do I believe the media and the politicians who do the most racist thing of all... Treat groups of people like monolithic voting-blocks, who are easily manipulated? The same media who tries to spin "racism" from being honest (if blunt) is the same media that keeps filling the news with ridiculous fairy-tales about Trump eliminating birth control, or this great piece of journalism from NYmagazine:
Not even 24 hours yet. My friend's sister, who is Muslim, had a knife pulled on her by a Trump supporter while on the bus by UIUC campus.
— Sarah A. Harvard (@amyharvard_) November 9, 2016
I have a scarf on. Passed by someone on the platform today and he says, "Your time's up, girlie."
— Mehreen Kasana (@mehreenkasana) November 9, 2016
@ShaunKing Muslim student was strong arm robbed in San Diego State University while they insulted her for being a Muslim. pic.twitter.com/LzH5jcp2sC
Ok, first of all these are Twitter feeds! This is now acceptable journalism? And even if they are true, DTJ is now responsible for any moron that strong-arm robs somebody?
Am I the only person who feels like some "force" is trying to manipulate people? I don't think it's effective on the older generation who can remember a time before the media became all-encompassing (At age 44, I am an outlier, having been raised by my grandparents. TV wasn't (isn't) much of a factor in my life.) Instead, I read books. Some of which have stuck in my head decades after. I leave you with a cut/paste quote/analysis from Fahrenheit 451:
Don't step on the toes of the dog lovers, the cat lovers, doctors, lawyers, merchant, chiefs, Mormons, Baptists, Unitarians, second-generation Chinese, Swedes, Italians, Germans, Texans, Brooklynites, Irishmen, people from Oregon or Mexico The bigger your market, Montag, the less you handle controversy.
Analysis: Beatty explains the origins of banned books. This, however, is more of an authorial intrusion. I would say Bradbury's prediction has come true in the form of political correctness and the influence of special interest groups in Congress, but I don't want to offend anybody.
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Fratzog
Old Man with a Hat
Thanks for posting but even if you believe that Moore was misguided about his support for Clinton he should get credit for predicting the outcome. 99% of the pundits and pollsters got it wrong. People need to take a pill.
polara71
Old Man with a Hat
No need to sugarcoat it Carmine
How many of them have a job....or looking for one?
Mopar Madness
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Greatest unseen outcome ever. Never saw it coming. I think this is going to be good.
MarPar
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Ironwolf
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Ironwolf
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And Steve, while I liked the sentiment of your post, I can also go to plenty of areas in metro Detroit and witness all the little African-American children playing side-by-side with their white friends. Grosse Pointe(s), Plymouth-Canton, Rochester Hills, etc. But you know what the common-denominator is? $$$$$$ And I know the same thing is true in California. Malibu is not Compton, just as Bloomfield Hills isn't anything like Highland Park. (As a side note, one reason Lee Iacocca moved Chrysler out of HP was because they could no longer recruit engineering talent willing to work in that war-zone area.) So in effect, once-classy HP let itself slowly fall into blight and killed its golden-goose.
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Thanks for your comments Carmine. As you may know, I worked for Chrysler central engineering back in Detroit for 2 1/2 years and outside of Detroit for another 9 more years for them, and had to go back to Highland Park on a regular basis in those years. After that, I took a job that I stayed at for 31 years in California, but I had to visit Detroit many times a year until I retired a few years ago. In this second, and my last job, I had to interact with virtually every vehicle manufacturer selling vehicles in the U.S. So I also traveled elsewhere around the country regularly too.
One thing about the West Coast is that there is a different vibe in the culture out here. One reason I believe, at least in California, is that more of the population has a decent wage and job than what it appears to me occurs particularly in the midwest. And because the weather here just isn't nearly as cold as in the midwest and East, it is easier to survive and the gloom of prevalent cold overcast skies of the eastern part of the country diminishes the feeling of well being, at least it seems to me. Maybe thats because I grew up in California, and I could never get used to it. But the city of Detroit was always desolate and run down every time I went through it on return visits to the area, and the outlying suburbs never seemed as well off either as those in Southern California overall. Bloomfield Hills and Gross Pointe were exceptions, but the suburb norm just didn't seem very prosperous. I believe the racial problems we are seeing in our nation stem from the very poor people at the bottom these days and a weak middle class that appears to "prosper" based on too much credit based purchases rather than real income that has been much better in the past (adjusted for inflation). The poor are desperate and have little hope for decent jobs or lives and the middle class is rightfully pissed off that their standard of living is in reality worse today than 15 years ago for example and jobs are no longer so available or well paying. Work is being outsourced and robots are doing more and more in assembly plants. The problems that occur because of crime and drug use and so much more among the poor tends to engender greater racial hatred. No surprise And the illegals crossing our border are also targeted as a major problem, although the net flow of immigrants across the Mexico border seems pretty neutral these days based on reports on the issue I see from time to time, but no doubt some problems are caused by this element . The real problem, in my view, is the unbelieveable wealth going to the top incomes with little being given back by them. The rich, like Trump for example, can afford good attorneys and financial preparers that know how to skirt income tax laws or get tax breaks such as on earned income and corporations care a lot more about making sure their shareholders get a good return on investment rather than making sure their employees share in their good fortunes. And corporations know very well how to stash their wealth outside the country where their ostensible headquarters are located, thus reducing their tax bills. And the big banks put us into a major recession in 2008 that we haven't fully crawled out of even now. Look at Florida, for example, where housing values still have not climbed back to pre-2008 values in many areas still like they have in most areas of the West coast for example.
What I am taking too long to say is that more prosperous areas of the country, such as the West coast do not have as much racial issues as the less prosperous ones elsewhere. And, yes, Southern California has its "Comptons" but they are not nearly as prevalent as in the rust belt for example.
I believe looking at this video between one news correspondent and Warren Buffett summarizes my conclusions about the basic causes of unrest among a majority of Americans these days and puts things in perspective a lot for me at least. Maybe you will agree, maybe not (but I do not agree that Hillary would have done much of anything to fix any of this as he seems to believe since she is too out of touch and beholden to fix it)
Warren Buffett on President-elect Trump: 'He deserves everybody's respect'
Just looking at reports of how Trump plans to proceed on fixing health care and other issues that we are finally getting a better glimpse of right now tends to give me more hope that he will make reasonable judgments in his Presidency. I believe he truly wants to make America more prosperous for all of us and will work very hard to be successful (Ben Carson said this maybe 4 to 6 months ago, and I didn't really believe it then as much as I do now). And Trump has fire in his belly to make it happen. But most importantly, he is taking input from respected experts and making revisions to his ideas as a result. That kind of willingness to listen and revise his proposals to get the best results makes him much more humble than he seemed to be during the campaign, and it is both critical and key to his success, I believe. Maybe Stan has been more right than I thought!
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Thanks for your comments Carmine. As you may know, I worked for Chrysler central engineering back in Detroit for 2 1/2 years and outside of Detroit for another 9 more years for them, and had to go back to Highland Park on a regular basis in those years. After that, I took a job that I stayed at for 31 years in California, but I had to visit Detroit many times a year until I retired a few years ago. In this second, and my last job, I had to interact with virtually every vehicle manufacturer selling vehicles in the U.S. So I also traveled elsewhere around the country regularly too.
One thing about the West Coast is that there is a different vibe in the culture out here. One reason I believe, at least in California, is that more of the population has a decent wage and job than what it appears to me occurs particularly in the midwest. And because the weather here just isn't nearly as cold as in the midwest and East, it is easier to survive and the gloom of prevalent cold overcast skies of the eastern part of the country diminishes the feeling of well being, at least it seems to me. Maybe thats because I grew up in California, and I could never get used to it. But the city of Detroit was always desolate and run down every time I went through it on return visits to the area, and the outlying suburbs never seemed as well off either as those in Southern California overall. Bloomfield Hills and Gross Pointe were exceptions, but the suburb norm just didn't seem very prosperous. I believe the racial problems we are seeing in our nation stem from the very poor people at the bottom these days and a weak middle class that appears to "prosper" based on too much credit based purchases rather than real income that has been much better in the past (adjusted for inflation). The poor are desperate and have little hope for decent jobs or lives and the middle class is rightfully pissed off that their standard of living is in reality worse today than 15 years ago for example and jobs are no longer so available or well paying. Work is being outsourced and robots are doing more and more in assembly plants. The problems that occur because of crime and drug use and so much more among the poor tends to engender greater racial hatred. No surprise And the illegals crossing our border are also targeted as a major problem, although the net flow of immigrants across the Mexico border seems pretty neutral these days based on reports on the issue I see from time to time, but no doubt some problems are caused by this element . The real problem, in my view, is the unbelieveable wealth going to the top incomes with little being given back by them. The rich, like Trump for example, can afford good attorneys and financial preparers that know how to skirt income tax laws or get tax breaks such as on earned income and corporations care a lot more about making sure their shareholders get a good return on investment rather than making sure their employees share in their good fortunes. And corporations know very well how to stash their wealth outside the country where their ostensible headquarters are located, thus reducing their tax bills. And the big banks put us into a major recession in 2008 that we haven't fully crawled out of even now. Look at Florida, for example, where housing values still have not climbed back to pre-2008 values in many areas still like they have in most areas of the West coast for example.
What I am taking too long to say is that more prosperous areas of the country, such as the West coast do not have as much racial issues as the less prosperous ones elsewhere. And, yes, Southern California has its "Comptons" but they are not nearly as prevalent as in the rust belt for example.
I believe looking at this video between one news correspondent and Warren Buffett summarizes my conclusions about the basic causes of unrest among a majority of Americans these days and puts things in perspective a lot for me at least. Maybe you will agree, maybe not (but I do not agree that Hillary would have done much of anything to fix any of this as he seems to believe since she is too out of touch and beholden to fix it)
Warren Buffett on President-elect Trump: 'He deserves everybody's respect'
Just looking at reports of how Trump plans to proceed on fixing health care and other issues that we are finally getting a better glimpse of right now tends to give me more hope that he will make reasonable judgments in his Presidency. I believe he truly wants to make America more prosperous for all of us and will work very hard to be successful (Ben Carson said this maybe 4 to 6 months ago, and I didn't really believe it then as much as I do now). And Trump has fire in his belly to make it happen. But most importantly, he is taking input from respected experts and making revisions to his ideas as a result. That kind of willingness to listen and revise his proposals to get the best results makes him much more humble than he seemed to be during the campaign, and it is both critical and key to his success, I believe. Maybe Stan has been more right than I thought!
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tbm3fan
Old Man with a Hat
Careful, careful in taking the wrong reading as many are doing on both sides. Clinton lost Michigan by only 11,837 votes. Johnson and Stein took 223,707 votes. Going into the day 1-2% were undecided on the actual day of voting. That would be about 47,700 to 95,400 out of a total of 4,770,290 votes. Say then Comey's announcement, on Oct. 28th, affected the opinion of 1.0% of the ambivalent decideds for Clinton who thought not again!. So the last 1-2% undecided, hold their noses as many did, threw the dice and said what the hell Trump literally in the booth? Now imagine nothing from Comey and no Stein in the race. Clinton could have pulled away by 25-50,000 votes. Same in other battleground states which were all extremely close.
Crunch the final numbers in four states and see how things could have easily shifted. I did also looking at all the numbers comparing Clinton's take versus Obama's take in his elections. She couldn't quite pull in what he did and those would have shifted states to her column. If anything should future elections boil down to the two parties splitting 100% or 95%, depending on other other contestants, one would only need to concentrate on maybe five states. All the rest are reliably Democratic or Republican. Notice no one campaigned in California except to fly in for fund raising. Same with Texas.
So one could make the case that this was a f--k you election. Also means it could just as easily go the other way in 2020. Trump made a big, big promise about the economy to these voters. These voters, today, are still feeling pessimistic about their future. Trump will have to deliver in a way I don't see as possible to deliver. Manufacturing is what the Rust Belt was about and unless he can threaten CEOs to bring back the jobs to long shuttered plants it won't happen. It also won't happen based on his outlook of needing 4% growth. Two percent is way more likely.
As for the left it would be more accurate to say her senior advisors. Bill Clinton told those advisors that they needed to concentrate on that segment of the population as he did in 1988. The senior advisors said thanks Bill, we know what we are doing, and then went their own way relying on Obama's coalition. Say what you want about Bill but there are master politicians and then there are real master politicians. Many acknowledge Bill as being in that rare second group along with a few others I can think of.
I don't know if anybody really liked either one of the candidates that much from the beginning... but it boiled down to the realistic choice of these two. I think there would be about the same number of folks unhappy if the results went the other way.
Regardless of which made it to office, I bet the Secret Service boys have been drawing straws... This is going to be an exciting time, for better or worse... some things will change. I don't know if Donnie will be effective working from within the bureaucracy, but I think he will give it hell for a while.
Regardless of which made it to office, I bet the Secret Service boys have been drawing straws... This is going to be an exciting time, for better or worse... some things will change. I don't know if Donnie will be effective working from within the bureaucracy, but I think he will give it hell for a while.
Bill Clinton told those advisors that they needed to concentrate on that segment of the population as he did in 1988. The senior advisors said thanks Bill, we know what we are doing, and then went their own way relying on Obama's coalition. Say what you want about Bill but there are master politicians and then there are real master politicians. Many acknowledge Bill as being in that rare second group along with a few others I can think of.[/QUOTE]
No doubt Bill Clinton was a master politician. What I didn't like was his trade deals that hurt american workers and his removing the laws on big banks that directly led to the financial crash of 2008.
No doubt Bill Clinton was a master politician. What I didn't like was his trade deals that hurt american workers and his removing the laws on big banks that directly led to the financial crash of 2008.
Wow! Half German?, does the other half hate the German half?, what is it?
The media did to Hitler then what it's doing to Trump today, or to Putin, for that matter. Decades from now people will remember Trump from they read in newspapers or saw on tv, not because of anything else, real, actual and factual history rarely makes it into books or films, several decades later and we're still being bombarded with negative stories and images of Hitler and Germany, I suppose it's better than discussing the post-war atrocities committed by the Allies against a defenseless German population.
"Donald has done the exact same thing that Hitler did and said"... the comparison to Hitler by the (mostly Jewish) press people is unfounded and designed to scare the US population and to mess up his term even before it gets off the ground. I find it interesting that they (Jewish people) forget to mention that Trump's kids have all married Jews, save for his youngest lad, of course.
Give Trump a chance, just like Obama was given his opportunity to do his job.
And yes, I find your comment about Trump's German ancestry to be racist and inflammatory towards all people of German ancestry.
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traintech55
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No sir, I am very proud of my German ancestry and of the German people as a whole. My remarks were totally directed at Mr. Trump, and just like everyone on this site we have the right to our feelings. Mr. Trump has put down the Latino population just like Hitler put down the Jews. Mr. Trump has put down people with mental disabilities just like Hitler did. SO if you lived in the United States my best reply to you would be "YOUR SHEET IS SHOWING".
When feelings get in the way of rational thought, we're in trouble. It's only as a result of a people's collective behaviour that a backlash occurs, and this is true in both cases, better than sticking one's head in the ground and ignoring the obvious problem.
Anyhow, people are entitled to their opinions and President-Elect Trump is entitled to serve his term and not be crucified on the basis of comments he might have made which other people don't agree with. Hopefully in four year's time his detractors will have had a change of heart and hopefully Trump will turn out to be a really good president, for ALL Americans, as he himself stated. No sheet, just common sense.
