The People Have Spoken...

[70bigblockdodge]

As for health care that is not a Constitutional function of government

It is the feds job to protect its citizens from enemies domestic and abroad, and if you think insurance companies are not enemies you might want to have a good lawyer explain it to you because they will certainly line up their lawyer army on the other side.

 

[saforwardlook]

The rich in this country pretty much have it all, and there is precious little left for the rest of us. And they just keep getting more because their greed is insatiable and we are chumps for letting them get away with it. And our politicans get money from them to do their bidding, not ours (it pays for their campaigns to get relected). And watch what the Republicans do with the affordable health care act - I doubt it will do much for the poor when they get done "fixing it" who will probably end up with no healthcare, even though they work 40 hours per week if they can even get a job that allows them to work that much and get minimum wage. Like Trump, I am confident the rich have all the loopholes they need to pay little of their share of the wealth they own compared to any of the years since the Depression that they used to pay (yeah, I still want to see Trump's taxes). And they own the news outlets that gen up anger and hate among us and get us focused on the wrong things - yeah, the Mexicans are responsible for all our economic problems - right. Build a wall!

I am going to share an email I received from a friend I have in Finland with whom I never talk anything about politics at all. All I did that generated his email was that I congratulated him for being in a country that is among what a couple of surveys have said are "the happiest places in the world". The top nation is usually Denmark in these surveys. Finland was number 5. These folks in Europe watch closely what is going on in the U.S. since we have so much influence on what the world does. In comparison, I know very little about their governmental system at all. But I wanted to share his conclusions just as he wrote them to me as to why he thinks their citizens are generally pretty content based on what he hears and reads compared to the U.S. The folks I sell cars to over there are generally farmers and work very hard in tough conditions, but they are doing well. Here is what I received word for word:

"I think that here in Scandinavia people might be more satisfied with their lives because we have more justice in our taxes,if you earn more you pay more taxes and if you do not earn so much you pay less taxes,progessivity in our taxes is a very good thing,also all our youths have the right to study for not so much cost,also a good thing,getting the youth on the right track from early years,but maybe the most important thing of all,the healthcare that everyone has the right to,rich or pour it does not matter and we pay our healthcare via taxes.Many of these things your new president wants to change for the worst for you,he cannot be healthy in his head,now also making it impossible for people from some countries to attend to your country,he must have a lot of hate in his mind.I also think that the president in your great country have too much empowerment,here in our country the president is more of a symbol for our country without any real power,the goverment have the real empowerment here.I think that these factors make people here a little more satisfied with their lives,my guess."

Think about it....................

 

[MYSINBIN]

Once aga

The rich in this country pretty much have it all, and there is precious little left for the rest of us. And they just keep getting more because their greed is insatiable and we are chumps for letting them get away with it. And our politicans get money from them to do their bidding, not ours (it pays for their campaigns to get relected). And watch what the Republicans do with the affordable health care act - I doubt it will do much for the poor when they get done "fixing it" who will probably end up with no healthcare, even though they work 40 hours per week if they can even get a job that allows them to work that much and get minimum wage. Like Trump, I am confident the rich have all the loopholes they need to pay little of their share of the wealth they own compared to any of the years since the Depression that they used to pay (yeah, I still want to see Trumps taxes). And they own the news outlets that gen up anger and hate among us and get us focused on the wrong things - yeah, the Mexicans are responsible for all our economic problems - right. Build a wall!

I am going to share an email I received from a friend I have in Finland with whom I never talk anything about politics at all. All I did that generated his email was that I congratulated him for being in a country that is among what a couple of surveys have said are "the happiest places in the world". The top nation is usually Denmark in these surveys. Finland was number 5. These folks in Europe watch closely what is going on in the U.S. since we have so much influence on what the world does. In comparison, I know very little about their governmental system at all. But I wanted to share his conclusions just as he wrote them to me as to why he thinks their citizens are generally pretty content based on what he hears and reads compared to the U.S. The folks I sell cars to over there are generally farmers and work very hard in tough conditions, but they are doing well. Here is what I received word for word:

"I think that here in Scandinavia people might be more satisfied with their lives because we have more justice in our taxes,if you earn more you pay more taxes and if you do not earn so much you pay less taxes,progessivity in our taxes is a very good thing,also all our youths have the right to study for not so much cost,also a good thing,getting the youth on the right track from early years,but maybe the most important thing of all,the healthcare that everyone has the right to,rich or pour it does not matter and we pay our healthcare via taxes.Many of these things your new president wants to change for the worst for you,he cannot be healthy in his head,now also making it impossible for people from some countries to attend to your country,he must have a lot of hate in his mind.I also think that the president in your great country have too much empowerment,here in our country the president is more of a symbol for our country without any real power,the goverment have the real empowerment here.I think that these factors make people here a little more satisfied with their lives,my guess."

Think about it....................

Once again I say:

Very well put and thank you.

John

 

[fc7_plumcrazy]

In addition to Steves post:

It is the same in germany. netherlands etc, too.
The more you earn the more taxes you pay.
The loopholes are tiny.

And in germany every citizen has healthcare.
No matter if someone works, gets social welfare or is retired.
In germany healthcare is paid like taxes. Based on your income.
If you have no income: you still have healthinsurance.
And healthinsurance is not a private insurance. It is taken care of by the state itself.
You can choose your doctors. You get whatever treatment you need. Including all kind of expensive cancer treatment ie, too.

Nobody should be ill or die because of being poor.

To me it is a matter of course.

Carsten

 

[70bigblockdodge]

Nobody should be ill or die because of being poor

Nobody should be told no you can not protect yourself from financial ruin with insurance because you had to switch jobs or went out of business because the economy went in the toilet and you have something wrong with you, not a chronic thing just a concern that might lead to needing hospitalization someday.

I don't really care about the stupid wall, or his Twitter feudes, but if Congress and he **** this up and I lose my healthcare coverage again I will remove my name from ever asset and when I get the Cancer I will not own a thing to lien sell or have any way to pay so all the bills I ring up will be on every jerkoff that thinks that healthcare should be on a free market system. Have fun paying for that. I have always tried to keep healthcare for myself and family as a self employed person because it is the responsible thing to do to protect yourself and loved ones but the old system is bullchit.

 

[fc7_plumcrazy]

Nobody should be told no you can not protect yourself from financial ruin with insurance because you had to switch jobs or went out of business because the economy went in the toilet and you have something wrong with you, not a chronic thing just a concern that might lead to needing hospitalization someday.

And that is way I prefer our healthcare system.
Nobody is left back.
You had a stroke, a heart attack or cancer in the past?
Don't worry the state community health system will always cover you.
There is no insurance company which focuses on profit.

 

[70bigblockdodge]

And that is way I prefer our healthcare system.
Nobody is left back.
You had a stroke, a heart attack or cancer in the past?
Don't worry the state community health system will always cover you.
There is no insurance company which focuses on profit.

Yep mine is not even that direct. In a nutshell had a good insurance carrier for years as self-employed. Had a couple of episodes of back trouble, ended up with MRI to look see cause and found a nodule that lights up with contrast. Fast forward to economy craps out and crankshaft snaps in two in my truck no foreseeable way to stay self employed so I take a job as company driver and go on their insurance, it's okay then jump to another company for more money better loads thier insurance is a little worse so I find a policy that works for me and cost is fair. I get my act back together buy another truck as economy improves. Try to go back to good carrier ohhhh book you have a nodule in you back blah blah blah no thanks we don't want your business but your wife can have one, WTF. Once you get turned down by one the others put you on a slide and under the microscope you go. So before ACA "Obamacare" I was sliding down a slope of "sure we'll admit you just sign your house, car, truck and anything else we would like to attach. Will that ever happen? I don't know but that's how they treated it. All this is not me standing with my hand out for free stuff it was just corporate greed at my expense. So go ahead cut the insurance companies loose becausr you don't want you tax dollars paying for abortions of unwanted kids that will most likely be a burden on the system. I know if I get tossed out health insurance again I will never pay a medical bill ever and will own nothing to collect on.

 

[Fratzog]

Canada also has public health care regulated at the provincial level. Has it's warts but far better than the alternative. This is what we have in Ontario.

Ontario Health Insurance (OHIP) - Ministry Programs - Public Information - MOHLTC

 

[Carmine]

Canada also has public health care regulated at the provincial level. Has it's warts but far better than the alternative. This is what we have in Ontario.

Ontario Health Insurance (OHIP) - Ministry Programs - Public Information - MOHLTC

One of the great things about living TV/Radio distance from a foreign country is being able to listen to their commercials and newscasts. Today I heard a commercial from Ontario nurses warning me that the province was laying off 1500 nurses (not this exact commercial, it seems there are many)



Patients will pay the price for Ont. nurse layoffs, association warns

Then there are the commercials for the Heart & Stroke Lottery, which on the surface seems like one of the worst lotteries you could win...

(As an aside, ironic to see Canadians are fueling the German auto industry, since none of cars offered are built in Canada, and they have plenty to choose from; it would seem Ontario could use the tax dollars. Thankfully Windsor is basically Mopar heaven.)

So why does Canada fund heathcare expenses with lotteries?

Are You Winning the Canadian Health Care Lottery?

All across the country hospitals are facing multimillion dollar budget deficits. As the highest cost of health care spending in Canada, we can expect funding cuts to our hospitals to continue at an alarming pace. One only has to look at the headlines of their local paper to see the astounding numbers. Perhaps the biggest health care deficit I’ve read about so far is the projected $1 billion deficit for Alberta Health Services. For Canadians this means more bed closures, staff cuts, a reduction in the number of procedures, increased waiting times and longer waiting lists...

Most hospitals in Canada already have foundations that hold annual lotteries and fundraising campaigns. The marketing materials encourage people to buy tickets to help change lives and save lives and in doing so become heroes. What are the ticket proceeds actually buying? The foundations state that the money raised will be used for purchasing life-saving medical equipment.

...Gelinas is concerned that the push to home- and community-based care means diverting scarce health care dollars to for-profit companies contracted to provide those services, and said patients can wait up to 200 days for treatment.

I'm not trying to pick on Canadians, but this model hardly seems perfected. Even worse is listening to Americans who think the Canadian capital is made of ice, saying things like "we should have Canadian healthcare!"

So now some anecdotal evidence... I have an in-law who works in the Henry Ford Health System as an anesthesiologist. He told me a rather sad story about an 80 y/o man in Ontario who was suffering chest pain. He was taken to a Windsor hospital by his grandson. The ER doctor gave him a pill and a piece of advice... Cross the border. The old man knew how to find HFH and directed the grandson how to get there. He went straight into the heart unit and was operated upon. Unfortunately the damage was too great by this point and he didn't make it. Mostly my in-law told me this story because he felt so bad for the grandson, who blamed himself for the delay.

Our (US) healthcare system has flaws, but Medicade (a program for low-income people) has existed for 52-years. Nobody "dies in the street" unless they practically want to, not to mention the millions of dollars written-off annually by hospitals that treat people who can't (or won't) pay. There is no rationing based upon age, as exists in other systems. (In some socialized systems, you go in one line until you reach a certain age, say 65. If you haven't been treated by age 64 and 364 days, you go to the back of the 65+ line.)

Of course, now we have Obamacare.

 

[Fratzog]

Unions are one of the biggest warts of our OHIP system. No one should consider union public relations as objective. I will stand by personal experience. We have had numerous serious medical issues in our family and no one has been directly out of pocket (except as a taxpayer). Most of the health care professionals we have encountered have been very good. The few bad experiences I have had have been on the front line with the typical union entitlement attitude. Not saying a private system wouldn't work but only conveying my experience with OHIP has been mostly positive.

 

[1978 NYB]

And that is way I prefer our healthcare system.
Nobody is left back.
You had a stroke, a heart attack or cancer in the past?
Don't worry the state community health system will always cover you.
There is no insurance company which focuses on profit.

What about the million Syrians that Merkel let in to Germany? Do they now have healthcare? Who is going to pay for it because you know most of your new guests won't work and pay their fair share of the healthcare costs.

 

[superfragl]

It is the same in germany. netherlands etc, too.
The more you earn the more taxes you pay.
The loopholes are tiny.

And in germany every citizen has healthcare.
No matter if someone works, gets social welfare or is retired.
In germany healthcare is paid like taxes. Based on your income.
If you have no income: you still have healthinsurance.
And healthinsurance is not a private insurance. It is taken care of by the state itself.
You can choose your doctors. You get whatever treatment you need. Including all kind of expensive cancer treatment ie, too.

Nobody should be ill or die because of being poor.

Carsten

It is same way in many other European countries.

 

[MoPar Maniac]

It is the feds job to protect its citizens from enemies domestic and abroad, and if you think insurance companies are not enemies you might want to have a good lawyer explain it to you because they will certainly line up their lawyer army on the other side.

So we make the government the enemy? They already screw things up and you want to make it worse?
Read CotUS. You have the right to PURSUE happiness, not the right to it. Providing insurance is not a function of government. If it is why doesnt government provide us with everything we want? Should government provide us with C bodies?

 

[70bigblockdodge]

So we make the government the enemy? They already screw things up and you want to make it worse?
Read CotUS. You have the right to PURSUE happiness, not the right to it. Providing insurance is not a function of government. If it is why doesnt government provide us with everything we want? Should government provide us with C bodies?

No but cutting the insurance companies loose again is a bad idea. The insurance companies will make plenty of profits of Obamacare stayed exactly the same don't believe their bullshit propaganda. Sure a lot of people's insurance went up after ACA because the policy they had before did not cover anything I have seen policies like this and went and bought my own. No I do not think it is unreasonable for the government to lay down strict guidelines for minimum coverage and to charge you back on your taxes for refusal as prepayment for when the taxpayers have to cover you in the future. I'm not looking to have the govt provide insurance to me, but there is nothing wrong with them looking out for mine and all of its other citizens well being. Stop stupid stuff like the war on drugs and probably half the Dept of homeland security if you are looking to cut money from the govt, not throwing out healthcare guideline and regs on a industry that would sooner see you die than part with a couple of dollars. If you cannot understand this then continue to enjoy you company paid health coverage.
I am in no way saying that ACA (Obamacare) is great but it does have some good in it. The campaign promise to repeal it immediately with no plan as a replacement is just stupid, I do think he understands this but with his background in resorts, hotels, places where unskilled labor is used quite a bit he was forced to provide or offer insurance to employees that he did not have to before so he has a interest in this all going away.

 

[1978 NYB]

So we make the government the enemy? They already screw things up and you want to make it worse?
Read CotUS. You have the right to PURSUE happiness, not the right to it. Providing insurance is not a function of government. If it is why doesnt government provide us with everything we want? Should government provide us with C bodies?

I would say every American should have a government provided C-Body.

And if Obama was still POTUS....all of our friends outside the U.S. would automatically get a U.S. government provided C-Body too.

 

[CanCritter]

Haveing gone through the big C 4 times am thankfull lm looked after up here to continue my cancankorous ways......
No one should die or suffer these days for lack of care or the funds to find care

 

[MoPar Maniac]

You have the right to seek insurance. You do not have tbe right to insurance.
Asbit is right now due to fedxgov I mustbhave insurance and it must cover women's health. I'm 61 and single. Why must I have that?
Since bumcare myninsurance premiums have doubled. Copays and deductibles are up and coverage is down.
Why? Govt interference aka regulation. This is why companies move offshore. Government increasing the cost of doing business.
For years medical costs were high due to insurance companies paying for anything. Kind of like a mil spec screwdriver costing more than the identical item at Sears.
Now insurance companies arent paying the high prices but govt has placed so many regs on them like HIPAA they have to make up the difference somehow.
Why wont govt allow medical insurance be like auto insurance?

 

[fc7_plumcrazy]

You have the right to seek insurance. You do not have tbe right to insurance.

And what would have happend to Critter-Derek?
After the first cancer his insurance company throws him out. Too much risk for the future. Then it comes back. He would have to sell everything to make it again. Which I would feel really unfair. And then it comes around again. He wouldn't be with us enjoying life and his cars

Carsten

 

[fc7_plumcrazy]

What about the million Syrians that Merkel let in to Germany? Do they now have healthcare? Who is going to pay for it because you know most of your new guests won't work and pay their fair share of the healthcare costs.

yes, they will all be treated and taken care of.
I am not so happy of having so many of them here now but that is a different story

 

[MoPar Maniac]

And what would have happend to Critter-Derek?
After the first cancer his insurance company throws him out. Too much risk for the future. Then it comes back. He would have to sell everything to make it again. Which I would feel really unfair. And then it comes around again. He wouldn't be with us enjoying life and his cars

Carsten

As I said you do not have the RIGHT to insurance. What fedgov can give fedgov can also take away.
With auto insurance they cant cancel your coverage but they can raise the premiums.
If you want the right to have insurance change CotUS. Thing is...who pays for it? And what about people who pay no taxes? Should I be forced to pay for them? If so why dont I just stop working? I get everything for free now. What happens when everyone does it? As it is now almost 50% dont pay in. And ya wonder why government is so expensive.