The reason why you don't put on headers on a C-body.

[1Fury1]

That warm and fuzzy feeling about the TTI headers and exhaust I bought for the Fury just slipped away. Are there any points for using a mini starter and oil filter relocation kit ?

 

[has2bmopar]

That warm and fuzzy feeling about the TTI headers and exhaust I bought for the Fury just slipped away. Are there any points for using a mini starter and oil filter relocation kit ?

You must have a smallblock if you want to move the oil filter... :shruggy:

Headers have their place if you have a good flowing intake and heads and have a healthy cam. But it is foolish to put 3" exhaust and headers on a stock engine, as they did with the 300 that has caused the fuss here.

The mini starter I think is a good improvement on the older mopars if you are not worried about originality in both sight and sound. They will also have more clearance with headers and help with heat soak issues.

I also will be installing a set of TTIs on a '67 New Yorker, but the engine will be far from stock.

 

[360dusted]

Mopar Muscle did a test that would definitely apply here, they compared various factory manifolds and aftermarket headers on an otherwise 'factory'-stock 300 HP Magnum 360 crate engine. These are basically the same as a factory Magnum that came in the trucks but with a dual plane carb'd intake; performance is similar to the factory HP engines from the '60s as far as torque curve, etc. They only got a 15 HP difference (and 25 lb-ft) between the lowest and highest runs, those being run-of-the-mill 318 truck manifolds and TTI headers. I would definitely say that's not worth the hassle on a cruiser-type car with a stock-ish engine. With a longer-duration cam the scavenging effect of the exhaust becomes much more important but a big cam makes no sense in a 2+ ton vehicle with 3.23 rear gears at best...

Underhood heat is another problem with headers, no C-bodies came with cold air induction at least from what I know. You would have to either fab an enclosed tube-style setup feeding from the grille or fenders, or somehow adapt a hood scoop which IMO looks way out of place on C barges

edit: one more thing the oil filter on big blocks sticks out the front of the engine far away from any exhaust parts, not sure why you'd need to move it

 

[1978 NYB]

My 1978 NYB had a cold air intake duct coming from the front, left of the battery to the air cleaner. It didn't help the Lean Burn computer mounted on the air cleaner from the heat from the exhaust manifold. Header heat might even melt the computer. Who knows. I haven't seen a formal with headers. I currently don't have any of those components on my car.

 

[70NPORT]

If a guy wants to install headers on his "c-barge" than god bless him, but it does not seem to be worth all the hassle esp. on a bone stock motor. Probably more for "looks" than anything else on this 300.

 

[1978 NYB]

Yep, it just doesn't make sense. Could use those $$$ to do something else worthwhile on the car.

 

[polara71]

I did it once, as a youth. It was the cool and right thing to do then. It was a nightmare with all the problems but it looked impressive

 

[commando1]

The "Mine is bigger than yours" syndrome.

Probably more for "looks" than anything else on this 300

I think I said that.

I did it once, as a youth.... but it looked impressive

Like I said...

That warm and fuzzy feeling about the TTI headers and exhaust I bought for the Fury just slipped away.

Sorry I was too late but I've been anti-headers most of my life. Like Dave, I learned my lesson the hard way in my youth.

 

[polara71]

Just backing you up Stan.

 

[1978 NYB]

I put headers on everything in my younger years. Installation wasn't a big problem with B's and E's.......just a PITA fixing leaks and tightening loose bolts.

 

[polara71]

Mini starters were expensive in 84 so I never bought one........must have changed half a dozen regular starters because of those damn things. Raise the engine on the left, unbolt the header...... Each time

 

[1978 NYB]

LOL! No choice in the early 70's.

 

[commando1]

And yet we thought we were the coolest and smartest bastards around....

 

[polara71]

But I was doing it in a 4 door C in 1983...... I would still think its cool

 

[Wildaugust]

I guess if you r-e-a-l-l-y, r-e-a-l-l-y want that extra 15 hp...:icon_lol:
then, yeah, there's the cool factor when you pop the hood too. I mean, it's just not a hot rod if it doesn't have headers, right?
But seriously, for the amount of performance gained compared to the installation and maintenance hassles, my personal opinion is that there are other modifications that you can make to your engine that will provide bigger improvements in performance than bolting on a set of headers, especially if you're building a heavier car intended to be a boulevard cruiser and not an all out drag car.

 

[commando1]

Here's my take on the whole situation. 90% of the Yahoos that just HAVE to have headers can't even disassemble a carb and know how to jet it.
So spare me the bling, guys. Show me you know how to tune an engine instead of throwing a Jeg's catalog at it.

 

[70NPORT]

I wonder I'd the owner is on this board.....naahhh, probably would have chimed in with "to hell with you all, I can do any damn thing I want with my car and it does matter if anyone likes it or not". We would most likely have gotten that message by now.

 

[polara71]

Here's my take on the whole situation. 90% of the Yahoos that just HAVE to have headers can't even disassemble a carb and know how to jet it.
So spare me the bling, guys. Show me you know how to tune an engine instead of throwing a Jeg's catalog at it.

I know how to wash the car........ does that count?

 

[commando1]

As long as you don't wear those girly-man Mechanix gloves...

 

[Mr C]

Here's my take on the whole situation. 90% of the Yahoos that just HAVE to have headers can't even disassemble a carb and know how to jet it.
So spare me the bling, guys. Show me you know how to tune an engine instead of throwing a Jeg's catalog at it.

Well said.