WEIRD E58 engine code

[Rattle Trap]

So here I am wasting time actually working on Mopars in the garage when I got curious about what year that E58 short block in the corner is.

So I cleaned the grease off from the last time I looked.

9W-ok, it's a 79. Didn't remember.
360-I knew that.
PI-wait, what? PI ? PI ? Why, what Ever could that stand for?

 

[polara71]

Interceptor :eusa_whistle:

 

[Rattle Trap]

I have it on high authority that no such term was ever used by Chrysler Corp.

It is a Plymouth engine, so I'm thinking probably "Pursuitis Interruptus"

Beep Beep !!!!!

 

[has2bmopar]

Pistons Inside

Polution Intended

Parts Included

Police Informant

Plymouth Internalcombustionengine

Pigs Ituition

Positively Intolerant

Actually it appears to be a 1 and not an I ... :eusa_think:

 

[detmatt]

Actually it appears to be a 1 and not an I ... :eusa_think:

thats exactly what I was thinking and the P could mean premium fuel, However I'm not sure that is true for a '79 360.

 

[commando1]

Plymouth Low Line

 

[Rattle Trap]

Ya'll can say it looks like anything you like, but it's "PI". Dave had already figured it out for himself I'm betting. Still has it's factory windage tray and the rest too. Just thought I'd share. We'll keep it to ourselves tho, huh? Wouldn't want any average so called enthusiast's who believe the world ended in 74 acting like they know something, now would we? ;)


...and Stan's right too.

 

[detmatt]

Silly, the world ended in '72 anyway....

 

[commando1]

Silly, the world ended in '72 anyway....

Yah, those gum'mint bumpers ruined everything....
And it's been spiraling downhill ever since.

 

[polara71]

Dave and Stan are always right

 

[Rattle Trap]

WEEEeeeell.... Stan did tell ya to let it go... So I'm gonna say you're half right, there.

We all have our burden's in our automotive loves. I truly enjoy our NYB, but my heart has been F since my first time behind the wheel. They wouldn't look right without their big bumpers. I'm not gonna cry about fat bumpers with a C-body in the family. Obviously, I like that in a car. The world didn't end with federal mandates. It just got tougher. The companies still did the best they could, and left the rest to us. An F outperform's previous smallblocks with bolt on goodies that couldn't pass EPA cert., even sideways. Try driving an A,B,C, or E sideways at 50mph groundspeed. It aint happenin. Anything past 45* and you're going around. Simply put, it's a superior vehicle which required non-compliant owner modification to achieve potential. I've always run with the earlier bigblock's with just simple mods, and eaten their supper when a turn is required. The world hasn't ended, it just keeps getting harder to get by in.

 

[MrMoparCHP]

WEEEeeeell.... Stan did tell ya to let it go... So I'm gonna say you're half right, there.

We all have our burden's in our automotive loves. I truly enjoy our NYB, but my heart has been F since my first time behind the wheel. They wouldn't look right without their big bumpers. I'm not gonna cry about fat bumpers with a C-body in the family. Obviously, I like that in a car. The world didn't end with federal mandates. It just got tougher. The companies still did the best they could, and left the rest to us. An F outperform's previous smallblocks with bolt on goodies that couldn't pass EPA cert., even sideways. Try driving an A,B,C, or E sideways at 50mph groundspeed. It aint happenin. Anything past 45* and you're going around. Simply put, it's a superior vehicle which required non-compliant owner modification to achieve potential. I've always run with the earlier bigblock's with just simple mods, and eaten their supper when a turn is required. The world hasn't ended, it just keeps getting harder to get by in.

Maybe not 45^ but these guys show what these cars can do with the right training.


A few years I was able to get out on this (the retired CHP EVOC course) and take a couple laps in my friends 95 Caprice (CHP Commander car), although we had to keep the speeds down largely do to decay of the surface and large craters in some areas.

Alan

 

[polara71]

I did let it go.....knowing i was right makes it that much easier

 

[polara71]

Alan, i watched that video a few years ago after it was posted on the dock, or Moparts, i dont recall which. It is a very interesting clip

 

[Rattle Trap]

There's something about being able to hang and hold past 45* that I enjoy. I may have figured it out by accident at first, but I'm happy to know that I can run an F-body out completely sideways and hang on, even drive it and hold as long as I like. Run it out from a standstill, and keep it like that, or swing it from speed, hook a corner I couldn't take otherwise, surf potholed stone roads approaching triple digit speeds, and never have to worry about the product beneath me failing to react as intended. It's not just Mopars, nobody made anything as good at taking the road. Whatever road. It only required some work that the gubmint wouldn't certify. That's always worked for me and my insurance agent. Can you imagine IF we could go out today and buy a stripped down New Challenger with a 6.1 making about 215hp? We KNOW what can be done with that. But what could the insurance guys do about it? What could the govt? Short of smog testing crapola, what would you, I, or anybody, do with such a product? Use the extra $$ we found ourselves with to make it what it could easily be, and continue saving our hard earned $$ as we enjoy the crap outa it!!! That's what an F-body is. Advanced, predictable, dependable, affordable.

I liked the CHP vid. Showed alota what people do wrong. that's why they call it training. The stuff you see on TV doesn't come from rookies. I woulda flogged that Caprice tho, if it were as disposable as it's built. LOL!

 

[70bigblockdodge]

I don't think there is anything wrong f,m,j except the rubber iso crap and oval spring eyes, I think they were made out of a need for the t-bar real estate to be freed up for cats not to handle better and I would say they make good drift cars cause there is no weight aft of the bellhousing.

 

[Rattle Trap]

Good points. Some of the earlier cars share the iso problems too. Those that didn't don't seem to enjoy any better handling. Much worse. It just is. The weight bias you mentioned is for real! But I've had em in the air enough to know that I owe my life to Chrysler's engineering the downforce of the Superpak spoiler to exactly compensate.


Having difficulty in finding a 2dr with the E58 PI engine. I've found 4drs but only finding E58 HP in 2dr F-bodies so far. The LRE got the PI, and I'm still looking. Have yet to hear from the Kit Car guys. If they have it, that would account for another 402 engines. According to that pix I showed, there were over 25,000 in circulation by mid 79-my. Comparing that to HP numbers, I find it hard to believe they were all actual 4dr police units with only the LRE exception. Still attempting to research original engine cars if only to find approximate sequencing of HP motors. Will be in Dave's neighborhood in a couple weeks to check on a very out of sequence HP car claimed as original engine.