Well there's your problem!

[70bigblockdodge]

Been busy reading about this product. I guess my first real question, after "Does it work?" is "How do I get all the water/antifreeze mix out of my 440?". I don't remember seeing a block drain cock or plug, so do I need to pull a freeze plug (which I'd rather not do) or do I use compressed air to blow it out?

Save your money. That crap is just like E3 spark plugs, no magic just thermodynamics. A good cap, clean system, adequate coolant and air flow and your engine will stay cool, period.

 

[cantflip]

Heres my thinking. Feel free to differ.
The car was designed, did, and still should run at 190-195°.
It was also designed to idle all day in 100° weather. A gazzilion cops would agree they could. That's a fact.

Now, if you can't make your car run to the stock standard. Wetterwater or WhateverTF you call it is a bandaid to cover up something wrong. No miracle tiger piss for me. Make it correct in the first place. It may cost a ton of money to do it right. And that's where people look for bandaids.

1- I like the idea of wetting agents, but not as a cure.

2- I like the idea of Evans coolant for the guy who just rebuilt/replaced everything... but he better haul his own supply on the road.

3- I really like the idea of intelligent upgrades... stuff like auxiliary fan(s) on the condenser.

I'm right there with you on make it right, but the other stuff has it place... unfortunately, it's too often misused to work around a problem.

 

[70bigblockdodge]

If I were changing everything and using aluminum heads, water pump, radiator, I would think about using the antifreeze/coolant they use in new Mopars and Fords.

 

[1970FuryConv]

Been busy reading about this product. I guess my first real question, after "Does it work?" is "How do I get all the water/antifreeze mix out of my 440?". I don't remember seeing a block drain cock or plug, so do I need to pull a freeze plug (which I'd rather not do) or do I use compressed air to blow it out?

Hi Bill. To answer your original question, you do not need to pull the freeze plugs to drain the block. These pictures are the sides of my 1969 440 block. As you can see the 440 does have removable drain plugs both sides. (Please ignore the purple paint. This was a previous owner’s not good idea.)

Very true. My car suffered major heat abuse sitting in Toronto traffic and never once overheated in nearly 95,000 miles. It had a factory 22" rad, stock pump, stock thermostat, stock 7 blade steel fan and no shroud. For some reason, after the rebuild it hates even a short stop light. I've half a mind to park it and buy a Lexus HT convertible.

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All I can say is that your 1970 Fury convertible is one of the best looking cars I’ve ever seen. **** a Lexus. Let’s fix the car. My thoughts are as follows.
First, every rebuilt engine I’ve ever had ran a little hot for the first thousand miles and then cooled off as it broke in. Hope your problem isn’t just engine break in.
2nd, before I tore anything apart, I’d remove the thermostat and see how it runs with no thermostat. That way you can see how much fluid the water pump is pushing at the radiator and of course you can see whether it still overheats without the thermostat. Would hate to see you have to do a whole lot of work to the car just because somebody put a cheap junkie thermostat in it.
3rd, I did have one 318 that I used aftermarket head gaskets on. The head gaskets didn’t keep all the cooling passages open. I was told at the time that it was a better design to close some of them, but that 318 never stopped overheating, so I’d want to know what kind of head gaskets were used and maybe consider replacing them with something stock.
4th, the last thing I’d want to know is if the cam was degreed when it was installed. I’ve heard that engines can run hot if the cam is advanced. Hope this helps, I'm pulling for you! Ben

 

[Fury440]

Thanks for your complements, I agree, the car does look amazing. I loved when I first saw it in 1969, but now it's way better. Ma Mopar just wasn't that picky while building these cars.

Your points.
1 By the time I drove it back to Calgary from Paul's shop in Idaho the car had about 700 miles of mixed driving and a bunch of highway. I was careful to break it in gently, but not without a few wide open throttle runs to make life interesting. That was May 2014. Since then mostly short city trips. My current mileage is just over 1,100 so it should be well on it's way to being broken in.

2 It appears to be moving water so I doubt it's the thermostat, but you are right, before going crazy I'll pull it and see what happens.

3 I used what I figured were good quality gaskets.
Fel-Pro FS7891PT11 - 440 Engine Gasket Kit
Fel-Pro 1215 - Valley Pan Gasket w/ Blocked Heat Crossover and Four Facing Pieces
Fel-Pro 1218 - Fel-Pro Intake Manifold Gaskets
So I doubt that is a problem.

4 The cam used is a Edelbrock 2192 - Edelbrock Performer-Plus Camshaft Kit.
Paul has built many engines and he always degreed the cams.

My guess is the rad. When I first started to work on the car, it had sat for nearly 20 years with water/antifreeze good for -45. I figured it was beyond flushing so I pulled the rad and took it to a local shop and basically said recore please. I failed to take into account the core type or construction. I think I got exactly what I asked for, a very minimal core. So my plan for this year, pull the rad and get a high quality new core. I also plan to find a 22" shroud.

But before I could get moving on that project, I started the car after it's winter sleep and discovered a gawd awful noise. Sounds like a bunch rocks rattling around in a tin can. It appears to be a broken vane in the torque converter. The converter is a used 2400 stall that I picked up 20 years ago. I thought at the time it was a good idea, but I really don't like it. So I now have to buy a new converted and mounting plate.

Hardware issues aside, my body is bitching at me more and more each day.. Very frustrating to have knowledge, tools, time and cash only to be held back by failing health. Getting old sucks!!

 

[commando1]

my body is bitching at me more and more each day.. Very frustrating to have knowledge, tools, time and cash only to be held back by failing health. Getting old sucks

Personally, I never thought it would be this debilitating. Surprise. Surprise.

I doubt it's the thermostat

I agree...

 

[Fratzog]

Personally, I never thought it would be this debilitating. Surprise. Surprise.


I agree...

FWIW triple coring the 18" rad on the Polara helped cooling immensely. Early this year lower left side pain was slowing me down. Long story short after 3 months of various tests some good news bad news. Bad news is I've got arthritis in the hip and elsewhere. Good news is it could have been much worse. No more putting on winter tires in the driveway for me. You're right getting old sucks.

 

[Fury440]

Personally, I never thought it would be this debilitating. Surprise. Surprise.

Early this year lower left side pain was slowing me down. Long story short after 3 months of various tests some good news bad news. Bad news is I've got arthritis in the hip and elsewhere. Good news is it could have been much worse. No more putting on winter tires in the driveway for me. You're right getting old sucks.

I think the changes and the speed of the changes have surprised me the most. Back when I turned 70 I did an inventory and was pleased to find most systems worked and all in all I was pretty healthy. Then one day I noticed a bunion on my right foot. My mom says, no big deal, she's had hers fixed twice and my sister had her's fixed once. I hate doctors and especially don't like hospitals, so I bought a cane. The problem is the big knob makes shoes tough to fit. This problem got exacerbated when I bashed my shin, didn't even draw blood, but it decided to get infected. To kill the infection I was put on three different courses of antibiotics and eventually ended up with a hole which took forever to heal. In the end, between the bunion and the screwed up leg I couldn't walk very well and started to lose muscle tone. As a bonus, all the antibiotics killed all the "good" bugs in my gut which produced a new set of issues. However, I still felt not too bad by my 74th birthday.

Then I discovered that I would require a medical certificate to renew my driver's licence on my 75th birthday.

Back when I turned 60 the doc announced I had developed type II diabetes. Seems it runs in the male side of the family so no big deal, or so I thought. Turns out it causes circulation problems in the legs, which helped make my shin bash into a big deal. But also screws with the nerves in my feet so I now have trouble with balance since my feet don't feedback full sensation to the brain. This lack of feeling makes driving interesting. I fully expect to hit a Check Stop some day and be asked me to do the "heal to toe" walk sobriety test.

So I'm busy getting my ducks lined up for my "medical" and decide to get my eyes checked. I had noticed a few eye issues and figured I needed new glasses. I had started to notice straight edges didn't always look straight. I also noticed my night vision was bad and to do things around the house required extra light. I must have 25 LED flashlights. The next issue was depth of field, I found myself reaching for things and missing by an inch or so. Trying to use a fly swatter is a joke, that my grand-kids very much enjoy. So the eye doc says, cataracts and dry macular degeneration. Oh joy! He says happily that I only need one to drive and it appears my left eye is still 20/20 but my right is basically fubar.

Got the paper and tests done and on my 75th birthday I managed to get my license renewed for another 5 years. Haven't started to worry about my 80th birthday test yet. Maybe a self driving robot is in my future.

During the last 5 months, my dry macular switched to wet macular. This is a mixed blessing, dry macular is untreatable but progresses very slowly, while the wet type develops very fast but can be slowed right down. The treatment sucks. Every four weeks about 7 or 8 different eye drops followed by an injection into the eyeball. Not fun but it seems to be working. Next week I under go the knife and have the cataract in my right eye removed. I expect the left eye will get sliced and diced next. I also discovered that getting on the floor to play with grand-kids is not a good idea. Getting up turns out to be an interesting feat. My wife was ready to call the EMS before I managed to get vertical again. So working on the Fury is basically out

Today is my 76th birthday and I find myself in a dash to the finish line with my Fury. It's a race that might make a good TV reality show!

Sorry for all the doom and gloom, turning 76 does funny things to your head! We'll see what 77 brings.

 

[commando1]

Happy birthday, Bill!

 

[LocuMob]

I think the changes and the speed of the changes have surprised me the most. Back when I turned 70 I did an inventory and was pleased to find most systems worked and all in all I was pretty healthy. Then one day I noticed a bunion on my right foot. My mom says, no big deal, she's had hers fixed twice and my sister had her's fixed once. I hate doctors and especially don't like hospitals, so I bought a cane. The problem is the big knob makes shoes tough to fit. This problem got exacerbated when I bashed my shin, didn't even draw blood, but it decided to get infected. To kill the infection I was put on three different courses of antibiotics and eventually ended up with a hole which took forever to heal. In the end, between the bunion and the screwed up leg I couldn't walk very well and started to lose muscle tone. As a bonus, all the antibiotics killed all the "good" bugs in my gut which produced a new set of issues. However, I still felt not too bad by my 74th birthday.

Then I discovered that I would require a medical certificate to renew my driver's licence on my 75th birthday.

Back when I turned 60 the doc announced I had developed type II diabetes. Seems it runs in the male side of the family so no big deal, or so I thought. Turns out it causes circulation problems in the legs, which helped make my shin bash into a big deal. But also screws with the nerves in my feet so I now have trouble with balance since my feet don't feedback full sensation to the brain. This lack of feeling makes driving interesting. I fully expect to hit a Check Stop some day and be asked me to do the "heal to toe" walk sobriety test.

So I'm busy getting my ducks lined up for my "medical" and decide to get my eyes checked. I had noticed a few eye issues and figured I needed new glasses. I had started to notice straight edges didn't always look straight. I also noticed my night vision was bad and to do things around the house required extra light. I must have 25 LED flashlights. The next issue was depth of field, I found myself reaching for things and missing by an inch or so. Trying to use a fly swatter is a joke, that my grand-kids very much enjoy. So the eye doc says, cataracts and dry macular degeneration. Oh joy! He says happily that I only need one to drive and it appears my left eye is still 20/20 but my right is basically fubar.

Got the paper and tests done and on my 75th birthday I managed to get my license renewed for another 5 years. Haven't started to worry about my 80th birthday test yet. Maybe a self driving robot is in my future.

During the last 5 months, my dry macular switched to wet macular. This is a mixed blessing, dry macular is untreatable but progresses very slowly, while the wet type develops very fast but can be slowed right down. The treatment sucks. Every four weeks about 7 or 8 different eye drops followed by an injection into the eyeball. Not fun but it seems to be working. Next week I under go the knife and have the cataract in my right eye removed. I expect the left eye will get sliced and diced next. I also discovered that getting on the floor to play with grand-kids is not a good idea. Getting up turns out to be an interesting feat. My wife was ready to call the EMS before I managed to get vertical again. So working on the Fury is basically out

Today is my 76th birthday and I find myself in a dash to the finish line with my Fury. It's a race that might make a good TV reality show!

Sorry for all the doom and gloom, turning 76 does funny things to your head! We'll see what 77 brings.

Happy birthday!

 

[1970FuryConv]

Hi Bill, don't know if I can say happy birthday after all the problems you listed. Hope you feel better. And Hope a friend will pitch in and help with your Fury.
On engine break-in, I once had a Pontiac 455 HO that took 2300 miles of driving to fully break in and stop overheating. Never had that experience with a Mopar. Hope it's your thermostat and/or radiator.
On the torque converter, don't you hate it when you keep parts for years, finally use them, and find out they're broke? I had the same experience with a small block high performance water pump that I kept for 10 years. It leaked like a sieve when I finally installed it. Cost me an extra day of work to pull it and install a new one. I have Lyme arthritis which made that extra fun. Before my Dad passed, he used to say, "Getting old is not for sissies."

 

[Fury440]

Hi Bill, don't know if I can say happy birthday after all the problems you listed. Hope you feel better. And Hope a friend will pitch in and help with your Fury.
On engine break-in, I once had a Pontiac 455 HO that took 2300 miles of driving to fully break in and stop overheating. Never had that experience with a Mopar. Hope it's your thermostat and/or radiator.
On the torque converter, don't you hate it when you keep parts for years, finally use them, and find out they're broke? I had the same experience with a small block high performance water pump that I kept for 10 years. It leaked like a sieve when I finally installed it. Cost me an extra day of work to pull it and install a new one. I have Lyme arthritis which made that extra fun. Before my Dad passed, he used to say, "Getting old is not for sissies."

About all I have to say on this birthday ...

I'm off to the Keg for a monster Prime Rib!!

 

[cantflip]

I think the changes and the speed of the changes have surprised me the most. Back when I turned 70 I did an inventory and was pleased to find most systems worked and all in all I was pretty healthy. Then one day I noticed a bunion on my right foot. My mom says, no big deal, she's had hers fixed twice and my sister had her's fixed once. I hate doctors and especially don't like hospitals, so I bought a cane. The problem is the big knob makes shoes tough to fit. This problem got exacerbated when I bashed my shin, didn't even draw blood, but it decided to get infected. To kill the infection I was put on three different courses of antibiotics and eventually ended up with a hole which took forever to heal. In the end, between the bunion and the screwed up leg I couldn't walk very well and started to lose muscle tone. As a bonus, all the antibiotics killed all the "good" bugs in my gut which produced a new set of issues. However, I still felt not too bad by my 74th birthday.

Then I discovered that I would require a medical certificate to renew my driver's licence on my 75th birthday.

Back when I turned 60 the doc announced I had developed type II diabetes. Seems it runs in the male side of the family so no big deal, or so I thought. Turns out it causes circulation problems in the legs, which helped make my shin bash into a big deal. But also screws with the nerves in my feet so I now have trouble with balance since my feet don't feedback full sensation to the brain. This lack of feeling makes driving interesting. I fully expect to hit a Check Stop some day and be asked me to do the "heal to toe" walk sobriety test.

So I'm busy getting my ducks lined up for my "medical" and decide to get my eyes checked. I had noticed a few eye issues and figured I needed new glasses. I had started to notice straight edges didn't always look straight. I also noticed my night vision was bad and to do things around the house required extra light. I must have 25 LED flashlights. The next issue was depth of field, I found myself reaching for things and missing by an inch or so. Trying to use a fly swatter is a joke, that my grand-kids very much enjoy. So the eye doc says, cataracts and dry macular degeneration. Oh joy! He says happily that I only need one to drive and it appears my left eye is still 20/20 but my right is basically fubar.

Got the paper and tests done and on my 75th birthday I managed to get my license renewed for another 5 years. Haven't started to worry about my 80th birthday test yet. Maybe a self driving robot is in my future.

During the last 5 months, my dry macular switched to wet macular. This is a mixed blessing, dry macular is untreatable but progresses very slowly, while the wet type develops very fast but can be slowed right down. The treatment sucks. Every four weeks about 7 or 8 different eye drops followed by an injection into the eyeball. Not fun but it seems to be working. Next week I under go the knife and have the cataract in my right eye removed. I expect the left eye will get sliced and diced next. I also discovered that getting on the floor to play with grand-kids is not a good idea. Getting up turns out to be an interesting feat. My wife was ready to call the EMS before I managed to get vertical again. So working on the Fury is basically out

Today is my 76th birthday and I find myself in a dash to the finish line with my Fury. It's a race that might make a good TV reality show!

Sorry for all the doom and gloom, turning 76 does funny things to your head! We'll see what 77 brings.

Happy birthday, Bill!

I turned 50 earlier this year... and I am really pissed off by how much I relate to the problems some of you "Seasoned" members are enjoying. For several years, I had an eye doc threatening that I had early signs of macular degeneration and my eyes kept changing prescriptions just enough for me to go nuts. I failed to find a happy way to live with bifocals... so I switch between a computer prescription and my VERY nearsighted prescription. I often just press a part to my nose to try to make out small numbers... not fun on a running engine.

The macular thing had me scared to death... I got a referral to a specialist and found the weird change I found on the Amsler grid was a stress related cortisone issue and that my macula does have a slightly off coloring, but does not have any signs of M.D.

My Amsler grid is a spreadsheet I use at work and a lot fewer double shifts has helped it clear up. Having worried about the M.D. treatments for so long, I really feel for you going through all of that... (and I hate needles)... talk about the scariest shots I can imagine. Good luck with your treatments, hopefully they can stabilize the progression of the disease.

I know I continue to lower the bar, but I hope to be doing as well at 76...

 

[LeBaron1973]

I think the changes and the speed of the changes have surprised me the most. Back when I turned 70 I did an inventory and was pleased to find most systems worked and all in all I was pretty healthy. Then one day I noticed a bunion on my right foot. My mom says, no big deal, she's had hers fixed twice and my sister had her's fixed once. I hate doctors and especially don't like hospitals, so I bought a cane. The problem is the big knob makes shoes tough to fit. This problem got exacerbated when I bashed my shin, didn't even draw blood, but it decided to get infected. To kill the infection I was put on three different courses of antibiotics and eventually ended up with a hole which took forever to heal. In the end, between the bunion and the screwed up leg I couldn't walk very well and started to lose muscle tone. As a bonus, all the antibiotics killed all the "good" bugs in my gut which produced a new set of issues. However, I still felt not too bad by my 74th birthday.

Then I discovered that I would require a medical certificate to renew my driver's licence on my 75th birthday.

Back when I turned 60 the doc announced I had developed type II diabetes. Seems it runs in the male side of the family so no big deal, or so I thought. Turns out it causes circulation problems in the legs, which helped make my shin bash into a big deal. But also screws with the nerves in my feet so I now have trouble with balance since my feet don't feedback full sensation to the brain. This lack of feeling makes driving interesting. I fully expect to hit a Check Stop some day and be asked me to do the "heal to toe" walk sobriety test.

So I'm busy getting my ducks lined up for my "medical" and decide to get my eyes checked. I had noticed a few eye issues and figured I needed new glasses. I had started to notice straight edges didn't always look straight. I also noticed my night vision was bad and to do things around the house required extra light. I must have 25 LED flashlights. The next issue was depth of field, I found myself reaching for things and missing by an inch or so. Trying to use a fly swatter is a joke, that my grand-kids very much enjoy. So the eye doc says, cataracts and dry macular degeneration. Oh joy! He says happily that I only need one to drive and it appears my left eye is still 20/20 but my right is basically fubar.

Got the paper and tests done and on my 75th birthday I managed to get my license renewed for another 5 years. Haven't started to worry about my 80th birthday test yet. Maybe a self driving robot is in my future.

During the last 5 months, my dry macular switched to wet macular. This is a mixed blessing, dry macular is untreatable but progresses very slowly, while the wet type develops very fast but can be slowed right down. The treatment sucks. Every four weeks about 7 or 8 different eye drops followed by an injection into the eyeball. Not fun but it seems to be working. Next week I under go the knife and have the cataract in my right eye removed. I expect the left eye will get sliced and diced next. I also discovered that getting on the floor to play with grand-kids is not a good idea. Getting up turns out to be an interesting feat. My wife was ready to call the EMS before I managed to get vertical again. So working on the Fury is basically out

Today is my 76th birthday and I find myself in a dash to the finish line with my Fury. It's a race that might make a good TV reality show!

Sorry for all the doom and gloom, turning 76 does funny things to your head! We'll see what 77 brings.

Happy birthday hope this year will be a better one.

 

[Fury440]

Happy birthday, Bill!

I turned 50 earlier this year... and I am really pissed off by how much I relate to the problems some of you "Seasoned" members are enjoying. For several years, I had an eye doc threatening that I had early signs of macular degeneration and my eyes kept changing prescriptions just enough for me to go nuts. I failed to find a happy way to live with bifocals... so I switch between a computer prescription and my VERY nearsighted prescription. I often just press a part to my nose to try to make out small numbers... not fun on a running engine.

The macular thing had me scared to death... I got a referral to a specialist and found the weird change I found on the Amsler grid was a stress related cortisone issue and that my macula does have a slightly off coloring, but does not have any signs of M.D.

My Amsler grid is a spreadsheet I use at work and a lot fewer double shifts has helped it clear up. Having worried about the M.D. treatments for so long, I really feel for you going through all of that... (and I hate needles)... talk about the scariest shots I can imagine. Good luck with your treatments, hopefully they can stabilize the progression of the disease.

I know I continue to lower the bar, but I hope to be doing as well at 76...

My doc has me taking Bausch & Komb PreserVision pills, one in AM and one at night. These pills contain 5mg of Luteine which greatly slows the growth of Dry Macular. It doesn't prevent it or cure it, it just slows it down. Seems to be working on my left eye. Doesn't do squat for Wet Macular, it is only controlled with the injections. When cataracts are removed they replace the lens. The standard lens is setup for distance viewing so your eye will be 20/20 at distances beyond a few feet. Close up will require drug store $20 readers. The needle in the eye does take a great leap of faith, but when the surgeon does his thing you really don't feel anything at all. I'm getting another jab this afternoon. The cataract slice and dice is new territory. Looks like it happen on the 26th so we'll see (I hope).

 

[cantflip]

My doc has me taking Bausch & Komb PreserVision pills, one in AM and one at night. These pills contain 5mg of Luteine which greatly slows the growth of Dry Macular. It doesn't prevent it or cure it, it just slows it down. Seems to be working on my left eye. Doesn't do squat for Wet Macular, it is only controlled with the injections. When cataracts are removed they replace the lens. The standard lens is setup for distance viewing so your eye will be 20/20 at distances beyond a few feet. Close up will require drug store $20 readers. The needle in the eye does take a great leap of faith, but when the surgeon does his thing you really don't feel anything at all. I'm getting another jab this afternoon. The cataract slice and dice is new territory. Looks like it happen on the 26th so we'll see (I hope).

Good luck with the surgery.

 

[1970FuryConv]

About all I have to say on this birthday ...

I have chronic Lyme disease. I couldn't get by without family to help with projects, even something as simple as pumping a jack makes a big difference. Hope you have family and friends to help.

 

[Fury440]

I have chronic Lyme disease. I couldn't get by without family to help with projects, even something as simple as pumping a jack makes a big difference. Hope you have family and friends to help.

Lyme disease sucks big time, I had a hunting buddy that got bit by a tick while hunting in BC.. Took him awhile to figure out what happened. Lyme disease is reasonably well known by the medical people here in the west and they pumped him full of antibiotics and God knows what else to finally get it under control. I don't know if he was completely cured, but he seemed symptom free after about a year. Unfortunately he was a passenger in a 4x4 that fell off the road and tossed him over an embankment. He hadn't been wearing a seat belt and unfortunately didn't survive the landing.

My family helper is my wife of 52 years but she has slowed down with arthritis in her hands making wrench work tough. My kids are all busy with their careers and families. I do have outstanding support available from @300rag, @CanCritter, @Dobalovr, @Tobias74 and @welder-guy just to name just a few. Plus there is a chance Paul, who did my restoration, will visit this summer from Idaho. He thinks he has a shroud and other goodies to get The Fury back on the road. I've contemplated hauling the car back to Paul's shop in Idaho, but with your "Trump" dude declaring war on Canada I might never get it back! LOL

 

[Dobalovr]

Lyme disease sucks big time, I had a hunting buddy that got bit by a tick while hunting in BC.. Took him awhile to figure out what happened. Lyme disease is reasonably well known by the medical people here in the west and they pumped him full of antibiotics and God knows what else to finally get it under control. I don't know if he was completely cured, but he seemed symptom free after about a year. Unfortunately he was a passenger in a 4x4 that fell off the road and tossed him over an embankment. He hadn't been wearing a seat belt and unfortunately didn't survive the landing.

My family helper is my wife of 52 years but she has slowed down with arthritis in her hands making wrench work tough. My kids are all busy with their careers and families. I do have outstanding support available from @300rag, @CanCritter, @Dobalovr, @Tobias74 and @welder-guy just to name just a few. Plus there is a chance Paul, who did my restoration, will visit this summer from Idaho. He thinks he has a shroud and other goodies to get The Fury back on the road. I've contemplated hauling the car back to Paul's shop in Idaho, but with your "Trump" dude declaring war on Canada I might never get it back! LOL

Bill if the problem hasn't been addressed by the time I get back from vacation I will corral my Chrysler Tech Son-in-law and come by with impact guns ablazin and get this problem solved!

 

[300rag]

Bill if the problem hasn't been addressed by the time I get back from vacation I will corral my Chrysler Tech Son-in-law and come by with impact guns ablazin and get this problem solved!

Have a good trip.