When is a car no longer "original"?

And this is why I will never put a car in another OE, original, concourse, survivor etc etc blah blah blah car show.
If these shows are some people's thing I'm happy for you. Knock yourselves out. I think those attracted to judging these types of shows are the same types that want to be on the BOD for their HOA are attain some other "little Caesar" position in some meaningless, self engrandising way.
I sold my show piece a long time ago and from here on out I'll drive any "show car" I have without regard to possible deterioration I'll cause by doing so. Cars, ALL cars, were made to be driven and eventually worn out. Have fun by driving the car IMO, not by dragging it around in a bubble and showing it off to a bunch of stuffy judgemental wannabe experts.
These high brow show boys look down their noses at the folks that once burned up Brice Road in Columbus . I'd rather come home smelling like burnt rubber than car wax and pencil lead.
 
I love original cars. The more original the better. Though I do have two that I don't drive much because of originality I don't enter them in survivor show status/judging. They are almost never on a trailer ...
 
Nice, low mileage, survivor, "original" cars are wasted on me.

I drive my cars. Always have..... I put over 75K miles on an A12 Roadrunner... 4.10 gears and all. One of the reasons that car went away was that I realized I was looking at buying an enclosed trailer for it. I'd drive the snot out of a survivor.

One of the reasons I have a C body now is that no one chastises me for the wrong spark plug wires or something stupid like that. I used to get so much crap about the Keystone wheels on the Roadrunner, yet that was the first thing you did when you bought one of those cars brand new was to buy some nice wheels for it.

Don't get me wrong, I love original cars... and I love restored cars... and I love cars that are driven too.
 
polara71 said:
I love original cars. The more original the better. Though I do have two that I don't drive much because of originality I don't enter them in survivor show status/judging. They are almost never on a trailer ...
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I agree wih you but I drive my survivor as well as the restored cars a lot.
I own a 70 Super Bee which was partly OE restored and previously in the T-building in Carlisle, previous owner spent more than 12k $ in parts to detail the enginebay alone. It was driven less than 100 miles by the previous owner who had it for 10 years. It was always trailered to shows. I bought it seven years ago and put 8.000 miles on the clock since. So of course it has now small signs of wear because it gets used but I can't live with a trailerqueen.

Carsten
 
Personally I almost entirely own nice unrestored examples with at least 50 % and up to 100 % original paint, however solely as my own pleasure, most would only be mediocre survivors in such Shows, which in such a "profane" class don't even exist over here. I get the creeps if someone messes up a good original example but I most oftenly can convince myself in the end that These are somebodey else's appliances that I don't have to bother about.

I completely reject any rules by some self described board who thinks to be Chosen to define such Standards and organize such theoretical competitons, while I do enjoy the Exhibition of such cars very much. But I simply can't believe that Standing still cars can compete in anything, only competition IMHO would be racing.
 
challenger said:
And this is why I will never put a car in another OE, original, concourse, survivor etc etc blah blah blah car show.
If these shows are some people's thing I'm happy for you. Knock yourselves out. I think those attracted to judging these types of shows are the same types that want to be on the BOD for their HOA are attain some other "little Caesar" position in some meaningless, self engrandising way.
I sold my show piece a long time ago and from here on out I'll drive any "show car" I have without regard to possible deterioration I'll cause by doing so. Cars, ALL cars, were made to be driven and eventually worn out. Have fun by driving the car IMO, not by dragging it around in a bubble and showing it off to a bunch of stuffy judgemental wannabe experts.
These high brow show boys look down their noses at the folks that once burned up Brice Road in Columbus . I'd rather come home smelling like burnt rubber than car wax and pencil lead.
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You and I think the same! I built my car for me and my family, I'll take it to car show'n shines to meet with other owner's, any judging and trophies are of zero interest. Over the last few years I haven't driven it much, not as most assume, to avoid any damage. I simply don't have faith in my ability to perform any road side repairs like I used to be able to do. It's an age problem, mine not the car's fault. Original is a joke, mine went to Ziebart before delivery to me, they pumped every hidey hole full of goop and drilled 100's of holes to do so. Each hole got a little yellow Ziebart plug. The car looked like it had measles - but it didn't rust, rattle or squeek and in hot weather dripped and smelt like a garage pit. It was great!!
 
Fratzog said:
Nice Gremlin. Looking at the dual exhaust suggests you dropped in a 304?
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No, 401!
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bluefury361 said:
[QUOTE="Snotty, when the desire for originality leads some guy or gal to put their car in a show, and it's covered with rust, and they try to brush that hideous POS off as having "good, original, Patina," I want to vomit.QUOTE]


I'll never fault anyone from participating in a show with any vehicle needing work. They may be just as proud as their vehicle as the guy who has a perfect one and leaves it home in the garage. At least they are enjoying theirs, not just talking about it.
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I'm not faulting anyone for showing a car in any condition they wish. I showed the '62 New Yorker with a ratted interior. What I don't like is the attempt to "Classify" age, rust, torn upholstery, as something special. It's simply old and not well maintained. Patina - BS!
 
There is "restoration" and there is "Day 2 restoration", er what you did to it the second day after you bought it new. Wheels, added gauges, tachs, air shocks, etc. Some of THAT stuff is as sought-after as the OEM NOS stuff.

As always, a person's car can reflect their inner being. Unless what they drive is all they could find when they needed something to drive. Not their ultimate "dream", but similar?

I know there are people who would, for example, pay $500 for a pair of date-coded NOS mufflers for their wing-car Daytona. Or $1200.00 for a correct horn cap for a correct-restoration Hemi'Cuda convertible. Or whatever they feel they need for their restored car. Some cars warrant spending that money, but others do NOT. Seeing a restored car wit all of the "right stuff" on it makes me smile as I know what pains the owner went to to get the car to that level of execution in the restoration process.

One of our Mopar club members restored his little brother's '69 Super Bee 440 Six Pack car. Took it to Mopar Nats and got a 2nd place trophy. After a year of car shows and a few more trophies, then it went to the drag strip and won more. He did the same with a '70 Challenger R/T Six-Pack 4-speed car. Restored. Mopar Nats trophy. A year of car shows. Then to the drag strip and some street driving. Didn't rag either one of those cars, keeping them "nice" and ready to go.

Many of our Mopar Club members worked on a member's '70 Superbird restoration. Bare shell and then put back together, correctly restored. Got a 1st Place at Mopar Nats, the parade down the drag strip. On the way back through Arkansas, they stopped on the side of the road they'd scoped out on the way up. Unloaded the car. Instructed his son to pick them up later when they saw them next.

So they rolled down the windows and headed down the road. After the car was fully warmed and enjoying itself, then they aired-out the AVS, enjoying it all very much. Then a "WHACK!" sound happened when they got over 100mph or so. The two guys looked at each other. Oil pressure was still there. No smoke or vibrations. Then they noticed that the vent wings were now shut, where they'd been full open when they started. They laughed and figured that was a signal they'd had enough high-speed fun that day. They eased the speed back down to "legal" and pulled into the next filling station for a cold drink and to reflect on what they'd just done. After talking to the people there and such, the kids showed up with the truck and trailer. They came back to Fort Worth fully satisfied with the car and the job many had done to make it all happen. The car was later sold to a buyer in Chicago. Some shows, one stretch of "high-speed enjoyment" (after all, a Superbird!), then on to a new home. Maybe broke-even on the deal, even with the free help, but the MEMORIES and rewards of being involved in such a correct restoration were priceless, to me.

There's plenty of room in the hobby for all orientations, although the number of fixable cars is dwindling. To me, respecting the metal for what it is and can be is important. I've seen a little too many cars become race cars (even demo derby cars!) that would have been nice to restore (even non-Mopars) as they had "no rust", straight bodies, etc. Doesn't have to be a B or E-body to warrant restoration of a "normal" car, either, or the top trim level. The ultimate value will not be there, but pride and enjoyment can be.

CBODY67
 
Fratzog said:
Yup not original but who cares! That car must move right along. I imagine you have embarrassed a few over confident challengers.
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It can scoot! I put a "401" emblem on the "SC/360" scoop we bought, Some dude at a stop light asks me, "What motor is in that thing?" I pointed to the script. He says, "Yeah, but what's in it?" I said, "AMC 401." "Really? never heard of it." Sheesh!
 
bulldogchesty said:
Snotty, I learned to drive a stick shift on a Gremlin. Three on the tree.
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If so, it had to be a '70. That was the only year of a column shifter for the manual; all others were on the floor - if manual.

We put a BW T-10 out of a '68 Javelin in this car. Had a fun time trying to find the correct bell housing, not to mention motor mounts for a V-8. Car was originally a 258 six and a T-14 3 speed. The rear is an A Body 8.75, 3.23 sure grip. That rear landed on the perches like ti was built for it! Had to custom make the U-bolts though as the axle tubes were larger.

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Mostly overlooked and almost forgotten car make most unfortunately; they did some great things on a shoe string Budget with design chief Richard Teague in command.
 
I could think of a couple to own; if I had the room......
 
I want a 401, 4-speed Javelin. I'd even take one with a 360. I love the dash on the second gen Javelins; just great!
 
Hurst/SC Rambler is atop my revolving list which would also include the very rare SC Hornet, AMX, first gen. Javelin and a whole bunch of the old People Ramblers preferably in Station wagon guise or simply make it the complete post war model range up to the early 70s :D
 
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