NOT MINE Wrecked 1971 Plymouth Fury III Sedan Pennsylvania State Police - eBay Auction - Ono, Pennsylvania
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69CoronetRT
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Why would you order that?
Why would you order that and not the E86 assembly?
How would you 'order' that?
What code would you use?
What was the price differential?
How would that be coded on a window sticker?
Did it affect any emission requirements?
Would this be a dealer added item meaning it really wasn't 'ordered' but speced through the selling dealer?
'70-'71 440 Plymouth & Dodges came with the dual snorkel air cleaner & dual exhaust as standard equipment on T-codes unlike Chryslers. PA used Fury IIs as previously mentioned. PL41T along with A38 on the fender tag would be correct for a PA car.
Iirc, PA used N-code 383s in '70, T-code 440s mostly through '71. And by '72 were finally ordering U-codes 440s.
Iirc, PA used N-code 383s in '70, T-code 440s mostly through '71. And by '72 were finally ordering U-codes 440s.
i believe this to all be true about PA cars. Fleet buyers could get virtually whatever they "spec'd" with Chrysler Fleet.
20 years ago i'd buy this in a flash and find a civi front clip. my hesitancy is i only bought E86 U code C's. not a ton of performance difference ... just it was top dog.
a lot of "unobtanium" is visible with this one though, and anybody with a vintage cruiser needing "real cop" stuff, consider anything less than four figures for it "as is" a good deal IMHO.
hope it finds a good home for somebody with skills/ determination IF restorable, or with a need for real hard to find parts.
MrMoparCHP
Old Man with a Hat
No idea what the process is or how it might be codded.
BUT, the 1969 CHP Polara had the spare in the convertible location, not an option. Dodge added a reinforcement plate on the core support drilled for mounting the
siren, there was also a 6" round hole cut in the core support along with mounting the horns on the front side. All from the factory.
Radio delete but with the radio fascia (no idea if there is a delete one).
Retractable shoulder belts (hand written on the broadcast sheet as "deluxe belts" (required welding in mounting nuts)
Others were a special lower radiator hose and rear shocks, those would be on the broadcast sheet with either the code for that part or a 999 code.
Again all from the factory.
Alan
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polara71
Old Man with a Hat
I've never seen a E85 in a Dodge /Plymouth 70/71 that didn't have a dual snorkel from the factory. Not saying they didn't come that way, all I've physically seen came with one.
( and dual exhaust)
polara71
Old Man with a Hat
You should explain that Dave ..
shooter65
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You are dismissing the fact that the Pennsylvania State Police is a large agency, the first state police agency in the country and the first accredited state police agency in the county. They special ordered their cars just as the Michigan State Police and the California Highway Patrol did in those days.
Are you questioning the CHP cars Ivory steering wheel?
How would you 'order' that?
What code would you use?
What was the price differential?
How would that be coded on a window sticker?
Would that be a dealer added item meaning it really wasn't 'ordered' but specified through the selling dealer?
Emissions were not required in Pennsylvania in 1971 other than the Federal mandates. Pennsylvania State Police cars were and are fleet orders purchased through the Department of General Services based on specifications dictated by the Pennsylvania State Police motor pool. As for why they would choose a dual snorkel air cleaner, my assumption would be for increased air flow to feed the larger carburetor to prevent air starvation during high speed chases. I knew a few guys who purchased the 76 era PSP Furys at auction and they all had Orange dual snorkel air cleaners.
As you can see by the pic of the build sheet, this car was fleet special order for the Pennsylvania State Police "PENN STATE POLICE" at the bottom of the build sheet.
69CoronetRT
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I'm not dismissing anything.
What I do get frustrated with is assertions that are not backed by logic or documentation.
Not trying to dog or burn anybody but....
I'll look for verification but I believe the PSP did order dual snorkel air cleaners on their cars.
I think we can pretty much prove the dual snorkel was standard meaning there was no need to 'order' anything. If something WAS truly 'special ordered', then it needs to be accounted for in some way whether it's on an invoice, window sticker or other factory document.
PL41T along with A38 on the fender tag would be correct for a PA car.
Response like this makes sense and can be proven via fender tags, broadcast sheets et al.
All I'm asking for its for people to be able to not rely on memory, belief or 'think so' and prove their assertions. A lack of proof leads to further misunderstanding what and how things were actually, truly and really done. There's already enough mis information out there.
Samplingman
Old Man with a Hat
Not trying to add to the drama of this one, merely curious, but why is there no obvious spot for the dome on this car? Wouldn’t all those marked green and white have a dome?
MrMoparCHP
Old Man with a Hat
Not sure about PA but with the CHP once they started putting on rooftop lights in the 70's they still had "slick tops"
Not sure how that light mounts, I'd assume three bolts and a hole for the cable. It is hard to see in these pictures.
Alan
shooter65
Senior Member
As late as the early 60's they had flat tops but they started putting a strobe on the top in the late 50's. From about 64 on, I've never seen a marked PSP car without a light(s) on the roof until they started experimenting in the late 90's early 2000's with some flat tops and some goofy low profile light bars. After that brief period, it seems all marked units have a light bar again. Because this era located the light about the middle of the front seat, I think it's simply the angle of the pics that you don't see any marks where the light was attached. Pennsylvania's philosophy has been for omnipresence. If the cars are highly visible, it makes more of an impact and it gives the impression of more cars on the road.
SportFury70
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Wow, 66 bids too. So I assume we shall see it again soon if the reserve was not met?
too tall for me ... i didnt bid but I had a number in mind for late auction sniping, but this thing blew through that near 3 times over. I am surprised .. but not shocked.
assuming a clean auction, a 50 year old car, sitting outside for almost that whole time, will need things. Admittedly, the valve springs are still orange (indicative of low mileage, but the engine is seized, is intriguing. Still a ton of work if resto planned, 3/4 of a ton if harvesting parts for another project (cop or otherwise).
I hope it winds up in good home in any event.
assuming a clean auction, a 50 year old car, sitting outside for almost that whole time, will need things. Admittedly, the valve springs are still orange (indicative of low mileage, but the engine is seized, is intriguing. Still a ton of work if resto planned, 3/4 of a ton if harvesting parts for another project (cop or otherwise).
I hope it winds up in good home in any event.
shooter65
Senior Member
I think this is drawing so much interest because this is likely the only known surviving 69 to 71 PSP cruiser known to exist...as much as it does. PSP-HEMC has been looking for one for a lot of years.
that makes sense ... IF my Dad drove this car, for example, I mighta paid anything to get it. I asked the seller if he had a BIN in mind, on the second day of the auction, but he said he did not despite many requests for one from people writing him.
he knows what it is -- we all do -- and i wish he gets every penny out of it. better than that, somebody knows it can be saved and have the lettuce and the skills to get it done right.
as noted by others above, we may see it again, or the reserve may have been $4K. The latter case? I would consider this one "sold".
if not, again, I woefully misjudged this car's value to someone who has gotta have it.
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