new law for only 2 cars per driveway in minneapolis

I just looked the story over quickly, those law makers would have lost there minds when I was younger. I have 3 brothers and a sister. 4 of us had cars plus 2 for my parents. In the summer 2 were in the garage and 4 on the street. In the winter 2 in the garage and 4 in the driveway or on the side of then garage.
 
Too many "one percenters" making the rules and wack job far lefters wanting utopia. I get not wanting a junknyard next door but what's next? You can only have black cars in your driveway? No Plymouths allowed? Etc etc. Its rediculous...like the developer and HOA people shutting down a century old farm because they built a sub division next to it and they dont like the smell!!! GET some common sense people!!!
 
"Vehicles may not be parked in yards or on unpaved surfaces; vehicles must be parked within the garage or on a hard-surfaced driveway.

No more than two vehicles per dwelling unit, with proper driveway surface, may be parked outdoors on a property. Excess vehicles may be towed."

Most communities only have rules that the vehicle must be operable, and "operable" means licensed,to preserve property values from those persons that have inoperable vehicles, which modern day folks consider junk.


basically,what that says is,they Will be coming for your cars,project cars and parts cars and they are making sure its legal and making sure people cant say later,i didnt know,when their cars are gone and they are pissed off.
this is why i live on a private road now.

in the town i moved from,they did the same thing in the newspaper/local,and specifically mentioned cars being painted as well.
it was aimed directly at me,as i had just finished painting up my 65 fury
 
I am sure that this is a city council that just knows what's best for everyone. Everywhere is different, but I wouldn't want to be the one to knock on anyone's door and say "You have too many vehicles and I am here to remove the extras."
And honestly, I paid a lot of money for my property and the taxes as well, if I want to park 3 cars on the lawn too bad.
So I have my wife's car, my car for work and a pick up truck. Also a motorcycle and a Fury vert. All either legal, and/or under cover. Food luck to the idiot code enforcer on that.
 
The issue of "parked on an improved surface" means "not plain dirt", and is pure code compliance in nature. That "improved surface" can be concrete squares arranged in "runners" to the garage or paver bricks.

Many cities already have code about no flat tires, current license/inspection (i.e. "operable"), etc. Many of the city ordinances also tend to follow similar state codes!

There are also issues which a first responder might face in answering a fire call to the particular residence. If they can't get to the structure for what's in the driveway, they can't effectively put the fire out as quickly as possible.

Same with what might be in the garage area! Needs to be enough space for these responders, in their "work clothes" to navigate the area as needed, too.

Years ago, a friend had a '69 Road Runner sitting in front of his house (rear entry garages via a rear alley). A tire had gone flat and he looked out one morning to see a police car sitting behind his car. He went out to see what the issue was. Seems a neighbor had reported the car with a flat tire parked on the street. A tow truck had been called, without his knowledge. He paid the tow truck driver and continued on his way to get a Fix-A-Flat so he could move the car inside the rear gated yard.

He then went down to City Hall and requested a copy of all city ordinances pertaining to vehicles. The clerk kindly replied. When it cam time to pay for these copies, she asked for his name. He gave them his first name. She asked again. He gave them is first name. She was writing a receipt for the cash money to pay for the copies. So she wrote "Does not wish to give last name" after his first name. Paid cash. No paper trail to track him with.

Then he went to Home Depot and put the concrete squares under each tire for each car he had parked in the back. "Improved surface". He also posted a paper on the outside of the gate stating that cars on the property were in process of restoration (or similar), should anybody desire to look.

He later learned that "the neighbor" had reported other cars on the street, sitting in front of houses for extended periods of time.

Another car club friend moved into a 3 bedroom house in a part of the area which was built in the later 1950s. He had two cars in the driveway, his pickup, and trailer parked in front of the house. He discovered that any vehicles parked in front of a house had to move every few days or they could be ticketed. In other words, not "outside storage". He found a way to comply until he could find some off-site storage.

The whole issue of HOA "control" came to light in the later 1970s. A guy traded his Honda for a F-150 high-trim level pickup. His HOA informed him that he couldn't park it on his property, as it was "a truck". He fought that with a lawyer, but the HOA prevailed as HOAs have far too much power in their particular jurisdiction. That was their covert way of controlling who lived there! Anybody who worked for a living and took his service truck home at night didn't meet their standards, it seems.

More recently, a family bought a F-350 high-trim level truck, costing about $80K, and the HOA put sanctions on them. The truck cost more than any two other vehicles of any family, but it sent the wrong message of who lived in that development.

So, when buying a house, read ALL of the pages in the contract, looking for one which pays your HOA dues in the mix. Get your local municipality and state ordinances on "inoperable and/or junk vehicles", too! Much better to know the rules of the game "before" rather than "after".

Sorry for the length,
CBODY67
 
Trying to "fight" code compliance you YOUR terms is not a winning situation. Read their terms for fines of non-compliance, with fines for daily non-compliance. Best to try to work with them and the code than otherwise. As long as you can prove your working to meet their requests, you can probably get a more lenient orientation from them. Otherwise, you'll pay dearly from your bank account in fines, typically.

Best to find some off-site miniwarehouse storage spaces. Or find a secure older warehouse building and rent it out for you and others in your situation. Unless you move to a "country estate" away from everybody, population growth can soon surround you and more complaints from the "new neighbors".

Some larger cities have regulations of what you can put inside of your locked storage garage behind your house. The issue of first responders being able to walk around what you have in there, and even what might be stored inside the cars in the building. All perceived fire safety issues, to them.

I have a 20' wide x40' deep miniwarehouse building where I keep some of my cars and it's a nice dry space to store/work on them. The local city fire department does yearly inspections. A fire extinguisher is placed near the front door, per their request. I make sure they can walk around in there, between the cars and such, as I need to anyway. They also know it is for "Private Storage" rather than a commercial venture. It also gives them an idea of what they might be facing should something happen they need to respond to.

I've also got two other 10x20 spaces for cars, but those will be going away in the near future as I recently built a 40' deep x 50' wide building on the farm. A place to consolidate things for later issues. And it's paid for. Another way to knock about $800/month out of my overhead expenses.

Doesn't matter if you've lived in a venue for 50 years, with your cars and such visible, there'll be some new residents who consider them to be "eyesores" and such, although THEY cam late to the party and desire to influence how the party goes. Code Compliance usually doesn't come calling unless somebody requests it, even a new City Manager in town.

Enjoy!
CBODY67
 
I'm sure the cops won't be making this a priority. I lived in Minnetonka (15 minutes from downtown Minneapolis) and had a realtor neighbor call the cops because I had an Olds 98 with the engine sitting next to it. She was going to show a house the following week, didn't tell, or ask me to clean it up, which I would have just to be a nice person. Well that's cops gave me two weeks. Then the same cop had to return, but was off duty for almost another week. When he came to check, the fact the hood was back on and no engine laying on the grass was good enough for him, didn't even check to see if it was operable.

Minneapolis doesn't have many if any dirt driveways, those have been gone for decades. It's some asshat executive that doesn't like the fact the neighbor had an older car, can't get a new lease every other year. Something like that. Moving away, then further away has definitely helped me stay mellow.
 
This is where I reluctantly chime in and state that I am one of those zoning regulators, but not in this city or state, and I don't know the background story on why this city did such a thing. I also admit that I am only at the whim of the code in most cases, obligated to regurgitate facts I often don't agree with. I try in my position to fix what I can, but that takes time and often political backing.

I can only guess that there are underlying reasons not discussed. Typically trying to regulate vehicles in the front yard (i.e. driveway) is usually 1 of 2 things...either to preserve property values from those persons that have inoperable vehicles, which modern day folks consider junk, or to curb excessive population and occupancy. Unfortunately it is typically targeting immigrant areas where having too many persons reside in a house are creating perceived negative effects on a community. By limiting the cars, you limit how many people can live in the house.

My community only has rules that the vehicle must be operable, and although "operable" means licensed, no flat tires, and no broken glass, we are pretty relaxed if there are no plates on the car. Where my community "gets you" is in a similar requirement that it be parked on hard surface. Many folks just decide to build a bigger driveway. Unfortunately, we limit that amount of your lot that can be covered to 35%, which translates to 65% of your lot must be open and landscape. We do this due to small lots and flooding issues. The community learned the hard way when we allowed someone to install a pool and patio on their backyard, only to have all the water in a rainstorm sheet off to the neighbor's basement. That neighbor was not very happy.

The worst is when I have someone that wants to expand the driveway because the kids are turning 16 and getting cars, and the only solution if they are already at 35% coverage is to find a bigger lot and move.

Please don't shoot me for being the bad guy.

I might be your only ally here... I'm in the same position, lol.

I did read the article and if I am to believe the author copied the ordinance verbaitm; Minneapolis is being ripped off by their city attorney, because the simplisitc language looks like it was written by a bright 13-year-old.

Such an after-the-fact law wouldn't survive a challenge if for no other reason than due process would require compensation for the lost value of homes. For example, a home with a large driveway has greater value than one with just two spaces... just let me find one accessors example, which should be easy in such a major city.

Partial Takings

It is often the case that a landowner is not completely deprived of his property, but instead suffers a restriction or impairment of his or her right to use it. For example (and as is frequently the case), a government may need to run a utility through private property, or need to alter a shoreline such that the property is no longer on the waterfront. The property may need to be flooded to create a dam, or a building on the property may need to be relocated to make access to another point. In such cases, a partial taking may be effected, and the landowner is entitled to proportional compensation.

That piece of research took me about 1 minute. If I were a lawyer knocking down $100 an hour I could do better.

However, as 66MonacoWagon states, the impervious surface of a property has to be limited. You don't get to simply pave your whole subdivision lot and flood your neighbors. And you don't get to simply put cement squares under the tires because decepit cars on soft ground make excellent rodent hotels.

You would be glad to know however... largely due to me... our city does not look at license plates, etc. As long as the car appears operable (no vital missing parts, flat tires, heavy collision damage, etc.) our code people are to walk-on-by. There are normally about 6 cars in my driveway, but I specifically bought a house with a driveway that could probably hold 15. And although I've been known to do some horrific things in my driveway, you'd need a helicopter to witness it, and even then I never leave it overnight.

Minneapolis just needs the right combination of big driveway owners like me, and a nice class-action suit.
 
We can agree, we are into classic cars, from complete restoration to minor. The intent may be honorable, hold on. What if there are multiple residences, in different parts of developed city neighborhoods that are operating bonified car repair business out of their houses. Noise all hours of day, not respecting you rights to a quite evening or Sunday morning. Cluttering the street with clients cars and vehicles for sale. I think even with our interests we would get annoyed. In addition to code, land use violations, maybe they are looking at another means to stop the activity, and unforseen colaterial damage is multiple drivers/ cars and our hobby? Just saying, I do stuff around my city house NW side of Chicago, that is noise, but I tell my neighbors and observe the noise ordances, to minimize disruption to others. In other words I respect my neighbors.
 
I agree with all posts indicating greedy Home Owners Association members and greedy realtors and greedy real estate investors. Unfortunately, selfish greed means restricting a neighbor's right to use his own property - that he is paid for - as he wishes. These people have lost their concept of freedom and replaced it with a me-first attitude. Thomas Jefferson's concepts of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness are foreign to them.
 
I agree with all posts indicating greedy Home Owners Association members and greedy realtors and greedy real estate investors. Unfortunately, selfish greed means restricting a neighbor's right to use his own property - that he is paid for - as he wishes. These people have lost their concept of freedom and replaced it with a me-first attitude. Thomas Jefferson's concepts of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness are foreign to them.

Agreed, I was thinking about this while outside washing the truck. What the Hell happened to Land of the free home of the brave?
Now it's land of the restricted and home of the puss_ ........
 
Put a sign up by the driveway "no trespassing, entering at own risk". Then greet the towtruck with buckshot...on YOUR private property of course...

And put a locked gate up with a brickwall so nobody cant even see into the driveway really.
 
Agreed, I was thinking about this while outside washing the truck. What the Hell happened to Land of the free home of the brave?
Now it's land of the restricted and home of the puss_ ........

If that law stands, Minnesota will elect a flunky SNL comedian to the Senate.

Oh wait...

I still think we're missing a piece of this story. Having witnessed first hand how well reporters understand ordinances...
 
I'm grateful my nearest neighbor is 1/4 mile away and we do not see each other unless one stops by to see the other. My dogs and cars are not their concern. I don't know how you city folks do it.
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Probably can't do that either.


weird, I thought America was so great? We dont have ordinances like this in Europe... There, its your property and you do as you please with it. And quite frankly, it is nobodys concern what I do on or with my property.
 
We can agree, we are into classic cars, from complete restoration to minor. The intent may be honorable, hold on. What if there are multiple residences, in different parts of developed city neighborhoods that are operating bonified car repair business out of their houses. Noise all hours of day, not respecting you rights to a quite evening or Sunday morning. Cluttering the street with clients cars and vehicles for sale. I think even with our interests we would get annoyed. In addition to code, land use violations, maybe they are looking at another means to stop the activity, and unforseen colaterial damage is multiple drivers/ cars and our hobby? Just saying, I do stuff around my city house NW side of Chicago, that is noise, but I tell my neighbors and observe the noise ordances, to minimize disruption to others. In other words I respect my neighbors.


Already laws in existens to regulate that. If a neighbor is bothered, file a claim with the city on that neighbor...
 
There is a suburb of Columbus where a roofer friend lives. They have a law if you have a 3/4ton or larger it must be parked in the garage. He bought a new truck when he moved there and his 1 ton with ladder rack would not fit in his garage. The law is not enforced unless a neighbor complains. He was forced to park his truck, at his moms house 6 miles away, so he bought a $500 rusted out piece of **** car to drive back and forth. The beauty of it is he left it parked outside even though he had room in his garage.

The neighbor he was certain complained died, he brought his nice truck home, parked the POS car in the garage, no problems since.
 
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