Chrysler Tooling

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The more and more I dive into these older shop manuals the more I notice many call outs for tooling, equipment, holders, and jigs specific to Chrysler garages. Manuals will say use tool (C-3388) or use adapter (SP-8811). I completely understand these were Chrysler dealer factory servicing department items from the 60's/70's etc.

Just wondering, if throughout anyone's travels you all have found or bought any of these tools or factory servicing items? I've just never ran across any for sale in my travels. Wonder what happened to all of them with so many dealerships coast to coast?
 
Yeah, most of them are heavy and almost useless, and the ones that were good usually ended up in one of the mechanics tool box, or just got used to death.
 
The more and more I dive into these older shop manuals the more I notice many call outs for tooling, equipment, holders, and jigs specific to Chrysler garages. Manuals will say use tool (C-3388) or use adapter (SP-8811). I completely understand these were Chrysler dealer factory servicing department items from the 60's/70's etc.

Just wondering, if throughout anyone's travels you all have found or bought any of these tools or factory servicing items? I've just never ran across any for sale in my travels. Wonder what happened to all of them with so many dealerships coast to coast?

Unless you get lucky and find those tools at a dealer liquidation auction, they are all but impossible to find.

Dave
 
First... what they said ^^^

Second, as a dealer tech (mechanic who had to learn to spell technician) for several brands... we only used a percentage of those tools. They would be too cumbersome or there would be a better "universal" tool in our possession, or available from our tool truck with a warranty.

As stated, the popular ones got worn out or stolen before you got to it, so we could order our own at the parts counter... but they were stupid expensive in most cases, so we figured out a work around or created our own. There was a thread with a tool that was DIY welded to another tool... we did that, used a torch to bend our own specialty wrenches (usually with a cheap tool). I made a bushing tool once from a piece of pvc pipe I found, it worked so well someone stole it.

Also, most tool rooms were not so well organized as you might hope. Dealer tools were returned by someone on flat rate who didn't get paid to put things back neatly, or in their proper locations. I found more than once, there were guys who would hide the tools they liked... it wasn't stolen, but may as well have been.

To purchase a dealer tool, punch the number into ebay every few days for a year or two... they often come up, and even the more useful stuff usually doesn't catch too many bidders. If the seller wants too much $$, then they sit forever... waiting for that one desperate guy who can't figure out a work around.
 
Yep, even us shade tree mechanics back in the pre internet days would come across a reference in the FSM or one of those awful Chilton manuals for the “SST #XXX”. We always figured it out or made our own tool. It would be great if there was a key database somewhere that listed something like “SST #XXX = Bent Screwdriver”, LOL. Hey, @commando1 is pretty good at spread sheets, how about it Stan??

:poke:
 
LOL. Hey, @commando1 is pretty good at spread sheets, how about it Stan??
No need. I take the Miller number, Google it, take a good look at, and then:
1. Make it. Usually out of PVC pipe, or...
2. Watch a YouTube video of Goober in Mayberry make the exact same repair using a $9.95 tool from Harbor Freight.

Commando1's Helpful Hint #56: You know that humongous obsolete tool that everyone says you need to pull the rear drums on a car with a tapered axle? YouTube it. An 87 year old guy shows how you pop them off with a cheap HF Metric FWD puller.
 
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I would like a set of the specific tools for 1966 tilt/tele columns and such -

Apparently many of those tools were made by Miller Tool and sometimes show up on eBay, though they're mostly incomplete.

I think there is a guy on the WPC Club who sells Miller sets.
 
The more and more I dive into these older shop manuals the more I notice many call outs for tooling, equipment, holders, and jigs specific to Chrysler garages. Manuals will say use tool (C-3388) or use adapter (SP-8811). I completely understand these were Chrysler dealer factory servicing department items from the 60's/70's etc.

Just wondering, if throughout anyone's travels you all have found or bought any of these tools or factory servicing items? I've just never ran across any for sale in my travels. Wonder what happened to all of them with so many dealerships coast to coast?
Many of these tools are on eBay. Do a search for Miller tools and over 8,000 show up.
 
First... what they said ^^^

Second, as a dealer tech (mechanic who had to learn to spell technician) for several brands... we only used a percentage of those tools. They would be too cumbersome or there would be a better "universal" tool in our possession, or available from our tool truck with a warranty.

As stated, the popular ones got worn out or stolen before you got to it, so we could order our own at the parts counter... but they were stupid expensive in most cases, so we figured out a work around or created our own. There was a thread with a tool that was DIY welded to another tool... we did that, used a torch to bend our own specialty wrenches (usually with a cheap tool). I made a bushing tool once from a piece of pvc pipe I found, it worked so well someone stole it.

Also, most tool rooms were not so well organized as you might hope. Dealer tools were returned by someone on flat rate who didn't get paid to put things back neatly, or in their proper locations. I found more than once, there were guys who would hide the tools they liked... it wasn't stolen, but may as well have been.

To purchase a dealer tool, punch the number into ebay every few days for a year or two... they often come up, and even the more useful stuff usually doesn't catch too many bidders. If the seller wants too much $$, then they sit forever... waiting for that one desperate guy who can't figure out a work around.

I just absolutely find it amazing that car manufacturers had things so well planned out though like engineering etc that they produced all of the factory tools they felt important for dealership mechanics to use. Just shows how detailed car manufacturers once were, even if these tools never ended up in the rights hands of those who needed them. It shows what American ingenuity once was and how quality was a staple of that time in history.

Disappointing to hear that dealer tool rooms weren't better organized for the mechanics. Though I'm sure new tooling was coming in at an extremely fast rate and probably hard to keep up with.

I'll keep my eyes out on eBay for some part number tooling I'd like to have.

Great info. Thank You!
 
Yep, even us shade tree mechanics back in the pre internet days would come across a reference in the FSM or one of those awful Chilton manuals for the “SST #XXX”. We always figured it out or made our own tool. It would be great if there was a key database somewhere that listed something like “SST #XXX = Bent Screwdriver”, LOL. Hey, @commando1 is pretty good at spread sheets, how about it Stan??

:poke:

Yea a part number/picture book for these Chrysler Tooling and fixture items would be amazing and very intriguing. At one time it would have to of existed. Wonder if this information could still be found?

Great information and thoughts. Thanks!
 
No need. I take the Miller number, Google it, take a good look at, and then:
1. Make it. Usually out of PVC pipe, or...
2. Watch a YouTube video of Goober in Mayberry make the exact same repair using a $9.95 tool from Harbor Freight.

Commando1's Helpful Hint #56: You know that humongous obsolete tool that everyone says you need to pull the rear drums on a car with a tapered axle? YouTube it. An 87 year old guy shows how you pop them off with a cheap HF Metric FWD puller.

Thanks Commando1, I never thought about simply googling the part number to look at pictures . Great idea. I just figured this wouldn't be something to be found on the internet.
 
I would like a set of the specific tools for 1966 tilt/tele columns and such -

Apparently many of those tools were made by Miller Tool and sometimes show up on eBay, though they're mostly incomplete.

I think there is a guy on the WPC Club who sells Miller sets.

Thanks Ross! Great information about Miller. I'm doing some research this weekend. So Miller would have been contracted by Chrysler? Then these tools were outsourced to be made?
 
EVERTHING is on the net. EVERYTHING.

Even everything we don't want to be on the net is. I was thinking maybe these older dealerships kept some of this stuff in storage and look for auctions from time to time. Unfortunately many of these older dealerships just don't exist anymore.
 
Here's my observations from the dealership side of things. GM, Ford, Chrysler, etc. had particular tool vendors who did their "factory" tools for the techs to use. In the case of GM, the dealership got "credits" for purchasing the "Required Tools" for particular model years of vehicles. Our service manager usually did those things. Many times, when you got the mfd-recommended tools, you got way more things than you'd need, but you had to get them to keep everybody happy. Some were broken, some got lost (somewhere), and were generally not watched too closely by management. IF it was something that got a good bit of use, everybody made sure where it was or who used it last. For the less-used items, not cared about, much.

In some cases, IF you were going to sell particular vehicles, you HAD to order an appropriate special tool set to work on that vehicle under warranty. The local small-town Chrysler store didn't opt to purchase the electronic test stuff for the '80s Imperial coupes, so when a local doctor wanted one, he had to finagle getting him a car and not having to spend ($3000.00) for the electronic testing item. We opted-out for the GM ZR-1 Corvette tools back then, too, as we didn't expect to sell any of those, gladly letting another Chevy dealer do that. AND this situation still goes on today! No tools? No warranty work, on specific vehicles.

These "special tools" were meant to address certain specific repairs, only. Very few had multiple uses, from what I recall, other than on components which were common for several years (transmissions, engines, rear axles, etc.). The "better techs" bought their own special tools from Snap-On, or similar, who had similar items under their own brand name. They were typically a base tool that might need an adapter to customize it to the particular referenced factory tool? The particular "factory tool" was the way to ensure the repair was done correctly and not "shade-tree-d" by dealership techs, for the best result. Only thing was that many smaller dealerships couldn't afford that yearly bill for special-use tools, so it was up to the techs to "make it happen as best they could" . . . OR send the vehicle to a larger dealership to get the work done. From that perspective, they took care of the customer's warranty repair, didn't need to spend hundreds of dollars, and everybody was happy.

Seems like some of the Clymer manuals have "work-arounds" for the factory tools, in some cases?

Make a copy of the image of the factory tool in the service manual. Take it to a local tool rental place and see what they might have that would work. Rent it, learn how to use it, do the repair, and take it back. Pay the rental fee, get your deposit back. Be done!

As mentioned, most of these tools, when obsolete, were "stored" and later discarded when storage space was needed, the dealership "sold out", or whatever. Back then, very FEW if any saw the open marketplace for resale. They were that specialized in model year uses with very little value to anybody else, other than scrap value.

Chrysler usually used Miller (Miller-Falls?), GM used Kent-Moore, and I'm not sure who Ford used. They had catalogs to order these items, but as things progressed, the older ones were dropped. The dealerships usually had an "open account" via the vehicle manufacturer, so "consumers" were not allowed until more recent times, as I recall. Many of these suppliers have different names now, I believe.

In general, there ARE alternatives to these things.

CBODY67
 
I can't tell you the full history of these companies or when they came together... Most US and some Asian and once in a while a European special tool comes from SPX corporation... Any brand of theirs can be the creator of the tool for any manufacturer... for US cars Miller Specialty Tool generally does Chrysler, Kent Moore is usually G.M. and Toyota (but not all of Toyota) and O.T.C. (Ottawa Tool Company) made most of Ford's stuff, but also made for many manufacturers and confusingly makes many general purpose tools for the aftermarket. The best known brand from SPX is Robinair, who makes lots of aftermarket A/C equipment as well as a fair amount of dealer only tools.

Factory tools can be quite difficult to purchase from SPX. They tend to produce only the quantity requested by the manufacturer and do not always make those available to those outside of the dealer network. In some cases the same or similar tools are marketed under other brands to allow the sale to the general public... OTC and Robinair are the brands they tend to use for aftermarket sales.

A very weird company, but THE provider of most factory tools in this country.
 
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