1978 NYB, 392 MILES,For the sceptics.

[1978 NYB]

Nice to know we are friends again.

I took a look at the latest version of your ad and there it says: "This car has the highest serial number,and latest production date on record,making this the last known 440 powered car that Chrysler built. Not the last of the run,but THE LAST ONE. I stand by that claim, until it can be proven otherwise."

Maybe you did not get 'round to reading the thread "When was the last production day for C-Bodies?" that is very relevant for your claims. There's a lot of posts there, but to make it easier for you:

- highest serial number on record: absolutely yes.
- latest production date on record: make that "scheduled production date (SPD)". Apart from the general problem of SPDs we now know that at that particular date, June 26th, the assembly was already closed for a major change-over.
- last known 440 powered car that Chrysler built: well, no. As per the door sticker you posted it was built June 14th, after which six more regular production days followed, plus that last Saturday, June 24th. So now it has been proven otherwise.

The black NYB has a SPD date on 6/20 which is 6 days after the Gray car. There was thousands of cars produced after that date through 6/24. The gray car is not even close to being the last car made!

 

[richard p jannine]

OK,so I dont continue with misinformation: I have a scheduled production date of 6 26,but an actual build date of 6 14. ? what is the general issue with SPD? This has been this cars claim to fame,since the first time I saw it,so there is something more than just my opinion to this. if there is a spd problem,then it only makes sense that there could be apd issue ,as well. could it be, this car was ordered,and scheduled to be the last one?? remember,no dealer was involved at all,this guy had connections,and a real thing for these cars,and ,owning literally a hundred cars,wanted the last one built.? One thing is for sure,we cant ask him right now,so we must go with what we have. Lets see what happens.

 

[PeugFra]

A reminder the SPD and the actual production date do and often vary. A car with a 623 SPD could have been assembled 630 making the SPD misleading and the car still in agreement with the info regarding production in June.

A statement of the actual build date is the MDH value on the door sticker: Month-Day-Hour. That is what one should be looking for when one wishes to establish the build sequence.

Scheduled is just scheduled, not what really happened. In the case of the 626 SPD that is more than obvious, because the plant was already closed.

The high VIN and late SPD make it likely that this car is one of the last C-bodies that were ordered, but it was certainly not the last built. 69CoronetRT, please correct me if I'm wrong!

 

[78Brougham]

It's unfortunate that Ma Mopars treated these cars as a redheaded stepchild and made no fanfare about their passing. Kinda like when the grumpy old man that lived down the street checked out. To bad...but good riddance all at the same time.

Perhaps it was just a sign of the times?

But here WE are, a bunch of nut cases that really love these cars and trying to get proper provenance without any help from FCA at all.

Thanks for explaining some things Richard, but please get your act together and post some real pics of this beauty, it can only help your cause. No one else has any trouble posting pics here but you. Get it together. Alright?

 

[DocMcNeedy]

It's unfortunate that Ma Mopars treated these cars as a redheaded stepchild and made no fanfare about their passing. Kinda like when the grumpy old man that lived down the street checked out. To bad...but good riddance all at the same time.

Perhaps it was just a sign of the times?

But here WE are, a bunch of nut cases that really love these cars and trying to get proper provenance without any help from FCA at all.

Thanks for explaining some things Richard, but please get your act together and post some real pics of this beauty, it can only help your cause. No one else has any trouble posting pics here but you. Get it together. Alright?

Nicely stated.

 

[march]

The lack of pics is due mainly to my computer not letting me load anymore.
hard to believe I know, but my computer will not accept any NEW pics.

A library, located 4 minutes away from the address in your ad, provides free computer loans. This is their website:
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This is the page, on their website that references the free items:
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[DocMcNeedy]

Why would anyone start out in the frontend of an ad, asking for 50K, state that the air in the tires are primarily the same air from the factory in 1978?

 

[69CoronetRT]

Scheduled is just scheduled, not what really happened. In the case of the 626 SPD that is more than obvious, because the plant was already closed.

The high VIN and late SPD make it likely that this car is one of the last C-bodies that were ordered, but it was certainly not the last built. 69CoronetRT, please correct me if I'm wrong!

You’re doing fine. You don’t need me.

Unless and until the guy that stood at the end of the line signs a notarized affidavit saying “Yep. I was there. This car came off the line, we shut out the lights and went home.” You will likely never know the “last one built”.

Scheduled is not built.
VIN sequence doesn’t matter.
MDH does to a point. It whittles down the number vying for “last”.

 

[1978 NYB]

You’re doing fine. You don’t need me.

Unless and until the guy that stood at the end of the line signs a notarized affidavit saying “Yep. I was there. This car came off the line, we shut out the lights and went home.” You will likely never know the “last one built”.

Scheduled is not built.
VIN sequence doesn’t matter.
MDH does to a point. It whittles down the number vying for “last”.

Thanks as always Doug!

 

[commando1]

Until we see something like this...

 

[1978 NYB]

To me.....the last car or the first car really doesn't make a difference to me. It is cool info to know but I'm totally happy with mine, as Stan is with his, as Jeff is with his, and all well as all the rest of the guys on FCBO.

 

[livininharrow]

The lack of pics is due mainly to my computer not letting me load anymore. I have them on my phone,hence,text request. I will have a photographer take pics of this car,when the weather permits,but these are what I have now,and wanted to share them as fast as possible. I am considering sending it to an auction. Either B.J. at the casino,in June,or ,the auction in Carlisle. I,m not in a rush to sell,but I,m not a collector either. Space is valuable,and this thing is big.

for the amount of time you have spent explaining why your computer cant load pics you could have bought a hundred new computers.

 

[DocMcNeedy]

for the amount of time you have spent explaining why your computer cant load pics you could have bought a hundred new computers.

good one...that makes my day...

 

[69CoronetRT]

Thanks as always Doug!

No. I hate you guys.....seriously.

I was blissfully unaware of Imperials and NYBs and 300's and ATC and $2,500 cars and Lash and hoses all the other stuff you guys drool over. I show up one night, naïve and curious about C bodies, and, now, instead of spending productive time on B body stuff, I lose sleep over fender tag codes on 78 NYBs, spend time scanning 70 Imperial CT books and secretly cruising the dark web for pics of 65 Imperial convertibles instead of logging thousands of 4 door Belvedere VINs. YOU ALL SUCKED ME IN DAMN IT!
...…..sigh.... ;)

OK. I was curious about the some of the things mentioned regarding the tag...

Bob mentioned the stripe codes.
It appears the standard stripe code was coded on the tag and listed on the WS as a K3* code not a K7 code. 183615 does not show the stripe code on the tag meaning it was probably deleted at the factory meaning the wrong striping was applied later. (reason #157 WHY to save all factory documents when possible. I just happen to have one WS from a 78 NYB that is on topic)

The masking part....Jefferson had a way of coding tags different than other plants meaning a second tag for codes was not necessary. Jefferson did use a metal strip inspection strip. I'm surmising the masking/shading effect on tag 183615 comes from the inspection tag. I have other 78 Jefferson plant tags that show a similar masking.

OK back to four door Belvederes.....

 

[Big_John]

@69CoronetRT FWIW, Pepper auto sales was a Plymouth dealer and just down the street from the Chrysler dealer. I think NPG employees went through that dealership for delivery on vehicles.

 

[1978 NYB]

No. I hate you guys.....seriously.

I was blissfully unaware of Imperials and NYBs and 300's and ATC and $2,500 cars and Lash and hoses all the other stuff you guys drool over. I show up one night, naïve and curious about C bodies, and, now, instead of spending productive time on B body stuff, I lose sleep over fender tag codes on 78 NYBs, spend time scanning 70 Imperial CT books and secretly cruising the dark web for pics of 65 Imperial convertibles instead of logging thousands of 4 door Belvedere VINs. YOU ALL SUCKED ME IN DAMN IT!
...…..sigh.... ;)

OK. I was curious about the some of the things mentioned regarding the tag...

Bob mentioned the stripe codes.
It appears the standard stripe code was coded on the tag and listed on the WS as a K3* code not a K7 code. 183615 does not show the stripe code on the tag meaning it was probably deleted at the factory meaning the wrong striping was applied later. (reason #157 WHY to save all factory documents when possible. I just happen to have one WS from a 78 NYB that is on topic)

The masking part....Jefferson had a way of coding tags different than other plants meaning a second tag for codes was not necessary. Jefferson did use a metal strip inspection strip. I'm surmising the masking/shading effect on tag 183615 comes from the inspection tag. I have other 78 Jefferson plant tags that show a similar masking.

OK back to four door Belvederes.....

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Just to clarify.....

All Newports were coded K3 which was side stripes only.

All NY'ers were coded K7 which was side and rear deck stripes.

K78 was code for stripe delete for all cars.

 

[69CoronetRT]

Just to clarify.....

All Newports were coded K3 which was side stripes only.

All NY'ers were coded K7 which was side and rear deck stripes.

K78 was code for stripe delete for all cars.

So im reading NYB window sticker incorrectly?

 

[Robert Saigh]

A lot of Noise for this car and owner or whoever/whatever they are!

 

[1978 NYB]

So im reading NYB window sticker incorrectly?

Here's the page out of my 1978 Paint and Trim book....

Sorry, I had typed it backwards.

Suppose to be K7 Newport and NY'er K3.

 

[ceebuddy]

Here's a couple more pics I found in an email he sent me... I didn't catch them before...

On such a low-mileage car at such a price I would not expect to discover something like this (see arrows):