The "other side" of things is that if we don't see some "other vehicles" every now and then, we don't fully appreciate Chrysler products for the great vehicles and designs they were, with C-body being some of the lesser-appreciated ones. While y'all might be worrying about ATC II, the higher-carline GM guys are trying to figure out the many variations of GM's ATC systems (programmers, vacuum switches, etc.) over the years. Changing from an ATC, or semi-ATC, to a normal system can be a nightmare without the donor vehicle sitting beside the ATC vehicle, by observation. BTAIM
As for "bikinis", there are some things they should NOT be wrapped around. T-backs, too! Just depends upon your particular orientations . . . end of conversation. By the same token, there are some things that "bikinis" enhance and make things nicer to look at! Kind of like certain colors looking better on some cars than others . . . TE, TO.
In many cases, I look to some of the posters and their involvement in the Chrysler hobby and wish I still had some of the same orientations to do things I did 30 years ago. The passion is still there, just lessened desires, unfortunately. Many of the things I took pains to get or chase down now are in repro and 'everywhere". And, many of the Mopar club people I used to run with are "ageing out", it seems.
But over the past year or so, I've been seeking to better consolidate things so I can "play" again AND hopefully get my orientations to "having fun" again. Now, just got to work on the "financials" of these things!
I see some of y'all in more modest surroundings, some with very nice garage/work shops, and some very nice "real estate" to boot. I remember when I bought my first genuine floor jack and jack stands! What an advance! Doing things in the driveway in dry and warmer weather. Then sharing a 20x40 shop with a friend and then getting one of my own! That was my "home away from home" after work and on weekends. Plus a place to store my accumulated car treasures and parts. So, I understand what many have or don't have in that respect.
At one time, we talked about going together and buying an old airport. We'd live there in separate residences, but have the landing strip for research and testing purposes. A dream that was talked about, but not realized. Still a neat concept! I don't think any of us could have afforded it, though.
After "we" discovered Mopar Nats in the later '80s, that became my one "out of town" weekend! Going up on Thursday as the "advance man" to make sure our reservations were still there. Plus being a "tourist" in Columbus or Indy for a few days. After that first time, I was hooked! It became my "Mopar" battery recharge excursion. So much enjoyment and horizon expansion! I only missed about three times in 21 years. My last trip was in 2005, when I also upgraded my rent car to a black Charger R/T HEMI. That car was a blast. That trip helped me keep my sanity in a time when work issues were trying.
For the past decades at work (this is year 41), GM (Chevy) parts has paid the bills for my Mopar hobby (and normal life). Lots of information has been archived AND how it relates to GM and Chrysler products. Lots of hours spent with a machine shop operative (which I met and came to know through work/customer associations over the years) has been another source of enjoyment and information. So, if I mention GM-related things, it's to explain why Chrysler's orientations might be better, or maybe not. Every OEM has their own way of doing things and in some cases, Chrysler is definitely best. Chevy might be the "most cost effective" or "cheaply-done", but it works. Be That As It May.
Being in a C-body specific forum has been very informative in the short time since I've returned. Thanks to everybody for making that happen! Hopefully, I've shared some good information for others, too. And, it seems that I've spent too much time in here for what I need to be accomplishing in other areas of my life.
About 15 years ago, I realized (at that time) that the members of our Mopar Club weren't getting any younger and we should put all of their accumulated knowledge (at that time, much of it had not appeared in print anywhere!) in some sort of book to share with others. Much of it had to do with parts interchangeability and such, like later '60s B-body "frames" under prior-gen B-body cars, the factory electronic voltage limiters, and how using '65 TF "flat" steels instead of the '66 "wavy" steels in clutch packs made for a nicer shift feel. Many of these things were from the cumulative experiences of the members, which worked well for them. Alas, that didn't happen, though, and now a good bit of what was there is not here anymore. And, the Internet has seemed to fill the void. Except that in some areas, one "flaky" post can be reposted many times without verification of how accurate the post might be. "Expert" has become "somebody that knows more than me", in particular areas, whereas when Perry Mason was around, it was "somebody in the top 10% of their field".
Having good mentors is very important for accurate information being passed to others. Unfortunately, in our Mopar club, there were some who were perceived to "know something" that were later proved to know little (costing other members money to get those things corrected by those that did know something). This situation probably exists in other places, too? Fortunately, I've found some great mentors over the years, I feel. Those hours spent in the engine machine shop have taught me very much of how engines work and were designed, for example, just as being around a GM dealership service department and other private shops have been very educational, too. And we all know that if it weren't for GM vehicles, many shops would go broke! BUT, even Toyota shops can't exist only on oil changes and tire rotations . . . They BREAK, too. And have massive recalls, too! Outside of just the Takata deals. Sometimes, in what or how Chrysler was trying to accomplish, they got in trouble, though, by observation. Many times, it was their quest for a better way that was not understood by the masses, by observation, like the crooked-setting power steering pump. Or how to best diagnose the Lean Burn System, OR why a fuel-injected Imperial's engine died when the air cleaner top was removed (and why the band clamp replaced the wing nut on them!). So many things, over the years!
Sorry if some of my posts, as this one, tend to get a little long. Thanks for your time and consideration.
Everybody enjoy to the limit of your tolerance!
CBODY67