Engine codes

Wouldn’t F be 1970?
Yes, F is car-model-year 1970; I believe 69coronetRT is stating the engine was assembled Dec. 19th, 1969 - which would jibe reasonably well with the SPD of Jan. 21st, 1970 for the whole car. Engine build-dates are actual, SPD's are approximate/estimated. Car could have been built before the 1/21 SPD (or, on it...or, after).

Car is heavily optioned!
 
sorry .. tangent alert: but related as this thread and will surely come up again .. probably has dozens of times in other contexts. I for one just wanna be more ready next time.

I don’t have the engine assembly numbers for the T code engines in C bodies but for a reference here are some engine assembly code numbers for HP engines in B and E body models:
3418114, 3418115 & 3418116.

Broadcast sheet has an engine assembly code of "103" and a "T" in the VIN. I don't know what all the numbers on broadcast sheets mean, let alone what the engine assy. codes all are, but is there any significance to that "clue"?

How is the broadcast sheet "decoded"? example below for our B body cousins..do C's have an analogous "registry"?

source: 1970 Dodge Charger Registry

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@detmatt has it for B & Es .... anybody here point us all to it, for C bodies? what does "101" and "103" mean for C's .. last three digits of what engine assembly for mills available in C's?

Lets please NOT highjack this thread ... ONE reply if anybody knows would help .. and stay on @Xavi3r 's cherry Monaco.
 
Thanks everyone this is impressive.

My friend will try to get the numbers tomorrow. (He has back issues )
Where are the casting numberd on the bloc near the partial vin ?
 
Car is heavily optioned!
Yes but some do not work or stopped working.
Cruise control was working and stopped last summer. I havn't repaired the speedometer but i read something about it ( magnets problem ).
Super light does not work.
We have to check the wiring for issued and replace the board behind the dashboard, i saw a reproduction one ebay.
 
Yes but some do not work or stopped working.
Cruise control was working and stopped last summer. I havn't repaired the speedometer but i read something about it ( magnets problem ).
Super light does not work.
We have to check the wiring for issued and replace the board behind the dashboard, i saw a reproduction one ebay.

There is a thread on the superlite by @polara71 and @carfreak6970 -- tagging them here so that they can chime in. Arguably, everything you need about the superlite and its wiring is in that thread.

For the cruise, is vacuum the issue or is the cruise stick the issue? If the latter (button gets stuck), some cleaning of the stalk may do it -- it did on Medina, my 1971 Monaco. Just be careful not to use too much liquid, I used a wipe
 
sorry .. tangent alert: but related as this thread and will surely come up again .. probably has dozens of times in other contexts. I for one just wanna be more ready next time.





How is the broadcast sheet "decoded"? example below for our B body cousins..do C's have an analogous "registry"?

source: 1970 Dodge Charger Registry

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@detmatt has it for B & Es .... anybody here point us all to it, for C bodies? what does "101" and "103" mean for C's .. last three digits of what engine assembly for mills available in C's?

Lets please NOT highjack this thread ... ONE reply if anybody knows would help .. and stay on @Xavi3r 's cherry Monaco.
It’d be the same for C’s Ray. In other words if this was a U code ac car it would have 116 on the sheet. I just don’t have the numbers for the 350 horse LP 440’s.
 
Casting number(s) (pictured) really aren't relevant to what I think this thread is trying to do. The partial-VIN would be stamped into the opposite (Passenger's) side of the block to tell whether this particular engine was original to this car. The *103* of interest (the last three digits of the engine assembly's part number xxxx103) on the broadcast sheet will not appear anywhere on the engine.
 
Casting number(s) (pictured) really aren't relevant to what I think this thread is trying to do. The partial-VIN would be stamped into the opposite (Passenger's) side of the block to tell whether this particular engine was original to this car. The *103* of interest (the last three digits of the engine assembly's part number xxxx103) on the broadcast sheet will not appear anywhere on the engine.


little twist there boss. :)

"103" is on the broadcast sheet. I never said look for it ON THE BLOCK. -- it clearly aint there.

I was answering the question "where is the block date code located?" If not relevant to anyone, its cool. It was part of my process to understand what's in the car. nobody needs it? Cool.

So I was using it to determine, IF the block did NOT have 8 digit VIN on pass. side pan rail, was the block a contemporary (vs. the assy date of the car) dated piece. Just offerring it up for consideration.

I have encountered this trying to figure out funny looking stuff nearly 20 years after it happened.

Picture/source I used showed where the date of the casting is located .. happens to be on same side as casting number.

In that regard, I agree casting number has little relevance ... UNLESS it was something from the mid 70's cast AFTER the car was built. Bet this months paycheck, if we learn the casting date of the HP block, it'll be somewhere logically near the SPD of the car.

thanks.
 
It’d be the same for C’s Ray. In other words if this was a U code ac car it would have 116 on the sheet. I just don’t have the numbers for the 350 horse LP 440’s.
The engine assembly number is a three digit code that appears on the Brodcast sheet as well as on a 69+ Lynch Road fender tag.

While many numbers on a broadcast sheet are the last three digits of a specific part number, certain assemblies or components made up of individual parts (engines, rear axles, manual transmissions) carry only two or typically three digits. To call the assembly number the last digits a part number is over reading the numbers on the sheet.

Assemblies are built and coded based on three major parameters: body platform (A, B, C, E) whether the car had a manual or automatic transmission and whether the car had A/C or not. There are some variants found, say later in the production year when there may have been a change to a component, but for the most part, the assembly numbers are pretty consistent through a model year. Assemblies change year to year so assembly number change year to year.

Here's what we know for model year 1970 B, C and E body 440 assemblies and corresponding VIN codes. I don't have a copy of a BS for a 1970 C body U code without a/c. I presume the engine assembly number is 117 or 119 as 118 is the number for the 440-4 auto with a/c.

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I just assumed the assembly numbers would be the same for each body line…
 
No offense intended - mistook pics as from OP for "decoding" numbers
honestly no offense taken ... but thanks.

thats why smiley face in my first sentence ... trying to say "i come in peace"

im just here to learn and try to help others if i can.

we'll get this Monaco sorted ..

:thumbsup:
 
I just assumed the assembly numbers would be the same for each body line…
Yeah, I'm with ya, because most of us Mopar aficionados are pretty familiar with the B and E-Bod codes, since those are the performance cars that get all the attention. But when I got into the C's, I realized that my prior knowledge about codes didn't always work. Fender tag stuff usually works across all the lines (D32 is always the HD 'flite), but BSheet numbers sometimes do, sometimes don't.
I've studied the Dave Wise Field Guide and the Dodge/Plymouth Muscle Car Redbook, and although both have lots of explicit information, they also both caution that there's lots of "It Depends" situations out there. And that's what makes it kinda fun!
 
ok the one on the car really look like it. it is not a 4160 derivation ?
"4160" is the family of Holley carb. 4bbl, vac secondary, metering block in front, metering plate in back, single inlet front bowl with the balance tube for the rear bowl. Similarly, 4150s had a rear metering block and could have race bowls, did have a single fuel inlet for EACH bowl (known as dual inlet) and no balance tube. The R4749-3 specified the "guts" of the carb, as in jets, metering block and metering plate, choke calibration, as in the whole assy. for a specific engine and model of vehicle. Given the "-3" in the carb number, I suspect it might not be the actual as-produced carb, but a later model replacement for the orig carb, possibly for a year or so later model year. The FSM is again the resource for the correct as-produced carb number. As is the Holley Variable Spec Manual.

The Holley Variable Spec Manual is a very interesting document! Sequentially covers all Holley carbs built since the 1950s up until about 1974 in the one I bought years ago. Carb illustrations, carb adjustment specs (float, integral choke, etc.) plus the part numbers on EVERY part that is the carb. Suggested reading, if inclined, but also specs the application the particular carb number was designed to fit. FWIW

Enjoy!
CBODY67
 
Not according to the Fender Tag he posted.
Well obviously now that info is posted..

Hi folks !

i haven't posted since a lot of time but we are working on our 1970 monaco and I wanted to identify the engine.
i assume everything is matching but we cleaned the bloc and discovered the engine number with some marks.
Can you tell me about the codes ?
The iron cross and X mark, i suppose that someone did it ?
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My response was based off the OPs original post combined with the picture of the HP stamp F440 block that he believed to be original.

My excitement was based off the fact that the U-code was not an option for the '70 Dodge/Plymouth civilian full size but being that the OPs in France who knows what could have been ordered if it was originally an export car.
 
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