Hoffa....40 years ago today

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I think Sheeran did it.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/30/eric-shawn-investigates-hit-on-hoffa/

His story is this: He and others were ordered by the Mafia to kill Hoffa to prevent him from trying to run again for the presidency of the Teamsters union. Hoffa had resigned after serving prison time for jury tampering, attempted bribery and fraud convictions. Frank picked Hoffa up at the restaurant, accompanied by two others, to supposedly drive Hoffa to a mob meeting. When they walked into the empty house together, with Frank a step behind Hoffa, he raised his pistol at point-blank range and fired two fatal shots into his unsuspecting target, turned around and left. He said the body was then dragged down the hall by two awaiting accomplices, and that he was later told Hoffa was cremated at a mob-connected funeral home.










 
1978 NYB said:
My math is off....36 years ago.
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sorry..i aint a nitpicker but it was 1975 right? lets flip that last digit...i was hopin i had just gotten younger by three years. :icon_smile:

remember the "day" well...was in drivers training/summer school heard a radio announcement (next day I think actually) tooling around in my assigned '73 Gran Fury Coupe at Mumford HS in Detroit. yes, i took drivers training in a C body.

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people "hate" mysteries...not knowing what happened is bad and gotta solve 'em. people "love" conspiracies..bad things come from them and we gotta expose 'em.

since the forum has already bandied it about, and I'm new here, my only addition to the discussion is an opinion that may already be on the record by others: anybody who really knows what happened to Hoffa is probably dead too...old age-related or otherwise. we aint ever gonna be sure what became of him.
 
70NPORT said:
Hoffa. That name just won't die, part of american legends & myths by now.
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yep. Hoffa, Kennedy, King, Natalie Wood, Nicole Brown, Tupac, Jon Benet, Kaylee... all different except terrible tragedies plus some mystery are an irresistable combination...stays in the collective psyche a long time for good or for ill.

peace be with all those families (and to those we never hear about).. but its hard to "unring" those bells because ("sensationalism" aside) people just dont like "not knowing" for sure...the "it could happen to me or mine" syndrome
 
As I'm driving my transit bus, when I come across a contruction zone along/or in the road, when I slow down I often ask a worker if "the are looking for Hoffa?". The older workers will smile, the younger ones will often have a "who are you asking about" look on their face.

Glenn
 
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I wish I could write a book about Jimmy.
I have read every word ever printed about him and seen every picture there is of him.
I have heard first hand accounts by his friends.
The guy is my hero and I don't expect anyone to understand.
I wish I could have been 1/2 the man he was.
Go ahead. Hate unions. I don't GAF. HE was absolutely looking out for the middle class. That includes you riding on the coat tails of his efforts.
Hate the way He did it. I don't care. He took care of me.
Today, every trucker out there is bottom of the barrel min. wage scum without anyone looking out for them.
They have no future what so ever.
Everybody under 40 now has no future. They are all going to be living in trailers when they are 65.
 
He was a draft dodger and a criminal. Public record. Move on.

Also I have no love for MLM which is all union leaders are, MLM scum. They sucker innocent people into giving away part of their paycheck for the very same thing they can do themselves for free. I'd have more respect for em if they did it for tips, you know value for vlaue, rather than sucking the blood of the membership so they themselves make a killing.


commando1 said:
I wish I could write a book about Jimmy.
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Write it. If it's worth a ****, you'll make some bucks.
 
commando1's view is rooted in facts shared by many.

i studied Hoffa in grad school...his methods/"associates" can surely be "questioned" but what he ostensibly fought for had merit.

lotta good books out there on him..balanced, thorough pieces worth a spin if you get a chance.

the circumstances of Hoffa's death aint the most interesting part of his life...love him or hate him in the end.

"history" is strange...do we revere JFK less when we know where the family wealth came from? his tragic death cant wash away what happened with "daddy" 80 years ago.
 
amazinblue82 said:
commando1's view is rooted in facts shared by many.

i studied Hoffa in grad school...his methods/"associates" can surely be "questioned" but what he ostensibly fought for had merit.

lotta good books out there on him..balanced, thorough pieces worth a spin if you get a chance.

the circumstances of Hoffa's death aint the most interesting part of his life...love him or hate him in the end.

"history" is strange...do we revere JFK less when we know where the family wealth came from? his tragic death cant wash away what happened with "daddy" 80 years ago.
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Yeah well Stan and I disagree on this one and will until his time is up.
 
I will go to my grave very sad that you refuse to see deep down who he was.
I don't want you to change your opinion about The Teamsters. That I truly don't care.
I want you to acknowledge that where you are now was because of him and people like him.
He was not a mobster. He was a revolutionary leader for the poor man.
He used brute force to beat down rich corporations.
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You HAVE to look at it in overall historical text. The lives of the blue collar worker in America before and after Jimmy turned 180 degrees. Now it's back to Before Jimmy.
I rode the peak. Eff you all, now peasants.
Thanks, Jimmy. I miss you.
FEMA and the NSA will control every person soon.
 
amazinblue82 said:
commando1's view is rooted in facts shared by many.

i studied Hoffa in grad school...his methods/"associates" can surely be "questioned" but what he ostensibly fought for had merit.

lotta good books out there on him..balanced, thorough pieces worth a spin if you get a chance.

the circumstances of Hoffa's death aint the most interesting part of his life...love him or hate him in the end.

"history" is strange...do we revere JFK less when we know where the family wealth came from? his tragic death cant wash away what happened with "daddy" 80 years ago.
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67Monaco said:
Yeah well Stan and I disagree on this one and will until his time is up.
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i see you and Stan are good buddies who disagree on stuff...typical, normal, understandable.

i just was observing I have had dialogue with scholarly researchers in a classroom setting about Hoffa...with well researched information to rely upon...and they echo Stan's comments on the facts.

i wasnt on anybody's "side" though...i was just suggesting anyone with interest and objectivity read up on Hoffa...your eyes might open or you'll be harder over he was "bad actor". either way, you'll have solid data upon which to decide.

we have to take care that we dont take "history lessons" from a Hollywood movie or three minutes on CNN/FOX/MSNBC/Whoever's show (not saying you did that :icon_smile:). The conditions Hoffa was trying to/did change were abysmal to working people...thats just a fact.

could he have done it another way and got the same/better outcome? who knows..we only know the way it went down for real. but many peoples' lives got better with what Hoffa and others fought for.

powerful interests dont usually surrender power willingly...one who wants to change the "balance of power" often finds him/herself in a "fight" of some sort.

hopefully its a non-violent "fight of ideas" and compelling and just causes will eventually win out, versus skull-crackin' and bone-breakin and worst. alas given human nature it sometimes comes to the latter tactics/methods of battle, but change may not have otherwise occurred.
 
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