65sporty
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I think it would really need to be stripped all the way down and media blasted to really see how bad it actually is, I have seen worse come back
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For Sale It's back !1970 Plymouth Fury 70 440-6 V CODE SPORT FURY GT PROMO SHOW CAR
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Fury Pursuit
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I inspected this car a few times, and thought about taking on the restoration.
I opted for the Black 6BBL Car instead, mainly because it "checked all my boxes". The original engine would be nice to have,....but what are you gonna do, when it's long gone,....I keep looking. LOL
The car is restorable, I have seen cars in worse condition that have been restored. It needs a cowl, front floors, trunk pan and rear frame rails, but it could be done. I believe Dan has NOS qtrs. for the car, and the parts car gets you there. There is a date coded engine in the deal, and other parts. I know Dan has lots of NOS 70 stuff,.....I'm sure a deal could be made that would make it attractive for the right person. Someone should call Dan and see what's up!!!
Not having a clock is wierd, a dash tachometer would be a great idea,...who has one of those????
I really think there are some positives to the car for the right buyer.
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Fury Pursuit
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....at the cowl.....
Fury Pursuit
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The early 80's I think. The car was stolen and the engine was removed in Seattle I think. Circa 1980.
The code for the 375 hp engine is U. But that engine was not available for the 1970 SFGTs. T or V only.
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Aidan1976
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I think the car should be stripped to the shell and dipped, certainly the only way to do it in more damp/humid type climates. This was the method used in the resurrection of "The Last Hemi" 1971 Charger which had it's fair share of cancer...
RK Motors Restoring The Last HEMI: 1971 Dodge Charger R/T
Paint Stripping, Rust and Underseal Removal for Cars and Industry by Surface Processing Limited
72Fury
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Or at the bank.
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300rag
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Old Man with a Hat
Rob a bank, simple.
livininharrow
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I wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole.
300rag
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I wonder what it would look like if Lakeland Lash let his detailer have a go at it.
fury fan
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This is correct generally speaking, but is it correct for a 70 Fury GT?
Actually, the 70 Fury had the 350hp version of the 440 (or maybe 360 due to the dual exh), while the 71 GT had the true U-code rated at 370 hp (a 71 derate from 375 of prev year). I just verified my memory of this by looking at 3 ebay listings I saved over the years, 2 of them list the VIN code as 'T' (the 350hp version) and the 3rd car showed a pic of the FT and it shows E85 (the std 350hp 440).
I just checked a '70 Fury sales brochure and it lists the 440 Super Commando camshaft as 'standard' while the 440-6 it lists as 'special'. If a true U-code it would have a 'special' cam same as the 440-6, no? I realize that sales brochures aren't always accurate, but I believe I read some discussions on this years ago.
And further confusion that I don't remember the answers to:
Since not a true U-code, how is it under the hood? Does it have HP manifolds? The fendertag say E85 which suggests log manifolds. Or is it a standard 350hp engine but wearing HP manifolds and dual-snorkel (I am confident it is dual snorkel) and with the standard 256° cam like the brochure suggests? Then further, is it externally-balanced like the true U-codes (and V-codes) of 70-71 (I'm betting not)?
Would love to hear an accurate/knowledgable answer on this, or see underhood pics from an actual car.
Fury Pursuit
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I don't claim to be an expert, but to the best of my limited knowledge the Sport Fury GT A52 package was standard with a T code 440. Dual snorkel air cleaner, standard cam, and standard exhaust manifolds, dual exhaust, 8-3/4" 3:23 rear end, HD C-body suspension, and H70x15 Goodyear Polyglas GT tires, with Chrysler Road Wheels. The only optional engine for a 1970 Sport Fury GT was the V code 6BBL HP 440; which obviously came with required HP equipment. All 6BBL GT's were non A/C cars with a 22" radiator. Some 6BBL cars were optioned with manual drum brakes! There were 61 produced and 11 or 12 survive,....two or three examples with their original engines........ and that's it, for engine options on the 70 Sport Fury GT.
The car in question is a 1970 V code Sport Fury GT 6BBL.
To clarify, you could NOT get a U code engine in a 1970 Sport Fury GT, only T code or V code.
In 1971 the Sport Fury GT, U code was an HP 440 370 HP. That was the only engine option in 1971.
This break down is excluding "normal" U code cars that you could order in any vehicle (sans station wagons?) and or fleet or police vehicles,.....and they are their own animals in their own write.......the phrase,..."Commando Pursuit" comes to mind, 440 360 HP.
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No. The 375 HP engines all had a different cam than the V code engines. The lift and duration may have been the same but the taper was faster/different on V code engines.
The 375 HP engines had a little hotter cam than the 350 HP engines and Magnum manifolds etc.
shooter65
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I'll throw my two cents in but this is basically an educated guess based on the research I've done on my 69 L Code SF, in 69 E86 engines were L code, changed to U code in 70, and my 34 years of working in manufacturing, mostly in IT but I started my manufacturing experience working in a tool shop milling and grinding parts.
Since the engines were built at separate engine plants and not vehicle specific, it's not feasible or logical from a manufacturing perspective to believe that the E85, E86, or E87 code engines for any car were any different. The engine plants were, mostly building engines to stock for any car that the BOM included that engine option. I'm going to say there were only three 440's in 70-71. E85 - T = Base 440 350hp. E86 - U = 440 SC 375hp, down to 370hp for 71 and E87 - V = 440 "Six-Barrel" for SFGT, "Six Pack" was Dodge Marketing, Plymouth used "Six-Barrel".
The only exceptions I'm aware of is police engines. Z VIN code. Large police departments such as Michigan State Police, CHP, Pennsylvania State Police, as well as others would order different cams, carbs, etc. for the engines of their cars but they were ordering large quantities so "special run MTO" engines were profitable and therefore produced by Chrysler.
Another exception would be race engines but I don't know anything about that.
I'm not sure if a dual snorkel air cleaner was std/available on E85 engines but it was standard on E86 engines. An optional unrestricted "No snorkel" air cleaner was available on the E86 engines, at least it was in 69 and I assume it was in 70/71 as well..
I know 69 E86 engines were different than E85 engines in that they used Carter AFB 750 CFM carbs instead of Holley's, HP Exhaust Manifolds, HP Cam, and 10.1 to 1 Compression.
Code Clarifications: As I said above, the 69 VIN engine codes were different then 70-71.
69:
VIN K = E85 - Base 440
VIN L = E86 - 440 HP
VIN M = E87 - 440 6
70-71:
VIN T = E85 - Base 440
VIN U = E86 - 440 HP
VIN V = E87 - 440 6
Also, many fender tag decoders incorrectly state that the 69-71 D32 Trans code is a 727 HD trans when it was not. D32 was standard duty 727, D36 was the HD 727.
Since the engines were built at separate engine plants and not vehicle specific, it's not feasible or logical from a manufacturing perspective to believe that the E85, E86, or E87 code engines for any car were any different. The engine plants were, mostly building engines to stock for any car that the BOM included that engine option. I'm going to say there were only three 440's in 70-71. E85 - T = Base 440 350hp. E86 - U = 440 SC 375hp, down to 370hp for 71 and E87 - V = 440 "Six-Barrel" for SFGT, "Six Pack" was Dodge Marketing, Plymouth used "Six-Barrel".
The only exceptions I'm aware of is police engines. Z VIN code. Large police departments such as Michigan State Police, CHP, Pennsylvania State Police, as well as others would order different cams, carbs, etc. for the engines of their cars but they were ordering large quantities so "special run MTO" engines were profitable and therefore produced by Chrysler.
Another exception would be race engines but I don't know anything about that.
I'm not sure if a dual snorkel air cleaner was std/available on E85 engines but it was standard on E86 engines. An optional unrestricted "No snorkel" air cleaner was available on the E86 engines, at least it was in 69 and I assume it was in 70/71 as well..
I know 69 E86 engines were different than E85 engines in that they used Carter AFB 750 CFM carbs instead of Holley's, HP Exhaust Manifolds, HP Cam, and 10.1 to 1 Compression.
Code Clarifications: As I said above, the 69 VIN engine codes were different then 70-71.
69:
VIN K = E85 - Base 440
VIN L = E86 - 440 HP
VIN M = E87 - 440 6
70-71:
VIN T = E85 - Base 440
VIN U = E86 - 440 HP
VIN V = E87 - 440 6
Also, many fender tag decoders incorrectly state that the 69-71 D32 Trans code is a 727 HD trans when it was not. D32 was standard duty 727, D36 was the HD 727.
fury fan
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This summary matches my beliefs. We've now got a few educated opinions on it, and it's on the internet - time to make it fact!
As an exception - the seller of this V-code car also has a 71 Canadian SFGT (maybe a promo car?) that he says is a T-code E85.
It is green/green and pops up on ebay occasionally. I can 't help but wonder if the T-code makes it less desirable, it does to me (not that I could afford it though).
Fury Pursuit
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The only thing I want to ad is the "K" code in 1969 is a base 440-350HP, UNLESS it is in a fleet/police application, where it is called the "Commando Pursuit" 440 rated at 360HP. Similar as the "base" 440, but not the same.
If it matters,.... I do believe the 1970 Plymouth brochure does incorrectly list the standard engine in the 70 Sport Fury GT as the Super Commando 440, but it wasn't equipped that way. T code.
I don't doubt you know what you are talking about but it just seems completely contrary to logic that Plymouth would make a 70/71 GT model Fury and not put the 375 HP version motor in it as the standard engine during the height of the Muscle years, prior to 72 anyway when they started more of a sport package thing w/ lower compression motors then later package only ie later 70's road runner and R/T F bodies with 318 2 bbl engines.
So I'm just surprised.
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