For Sale It's back !1970 Plymouth Fury 70 440-6 V CODE SPORT FURY GT PROMO SHOW CAR

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No offense intended but I'm going to disagree. I hope it gets rebuilt and someone posts the progress pics here or another forum.

There would be a lot less cool cars in the world if they all HAD to have a matching number motor and trans and live up to super high standards of originality and condition to be worthy of any love.
 
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Absolutely Bryan.... So....Bob, you find your original Challenger or Bee, you buy it back. You blow the engine,say, throw a rod through the wall. Do you scrap the car or put another engine in it and drive the snot out of it?

Even I am mostly an original numbers guy but the numbers matching engine is just an engine with matching numbers... I'd rather have the car alive with a heart transplant than to see a once was photo
 
Absolutely Bryan.... So....Bob, you find your original Challenger or Bee, you buy it back. You blow the engine,say, throw a rod through the wall. Do you scrap the car or put another engine in it and drive the snot out of it?

Even I am mostly an original numbers guy but the numbers matching engine is just an engine with matching numbers... I'd rather have the car alive with a heart transplant than to see a once was photo

If the body and interior is a bad as this Fury I scrap the car. Bottom line on this car is it is not financially wise to restore it. It will not be worth the restoration cost when done considering how much sheet metal isn't original and non matching drivetrain . That being said I would love to see someone take it on as a labor of love and restore it to it's former glory. Question is will it happen?
 
Absolutely Bryan.... So....Bob, you find your original Challenger or Bee, you buy it back. You blow the engine,say, throw a rod through the wall. Do you scrap the car or put another engine in it and drive the snot out of it?

Even I am mostly an original numbers guy but the numbers matching engine is just an engine with matching numbers... I'd rather have the car alive with a heart transplant than to see a once was photo

I would just get another rust free Fury and put a V code (or another 440) engine in it if I wanted a Fury with a 440. I wouldn't spend $15k for a VIN in that condition.

If I found my Super Bee or Challenger in that condition.....Sorry, I would find another rust free car.
 
Absolutely Bryan.... So....Bob, you find your original Challenger or Bee, you buy it back. You blow the engine,say, throw a rod through the wall. Do you scrap the car or put another engine in it and drive the snot out of it?

Even I am mostly an original numbers guy but the numbers matching engine is just an engine with matching numbers... I'd rather have the car alive with a heart transplant than to see a once was photo

Totally agree if the car just has a blown engine or txsm. But not something in this bad of condition.
 
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I agree....what good is having the carcass and the VIN if the original drivetrain is long gone.

I would just get another rust free Fury and put a V code (or another 440) engine in it if I wanted a Fury with a 440. I wouldn't spend $15k for a VIN in that condition.



If I found my Super Bee or Challenger in that condition.....Sorry, I would find another rust free car.
agree....what good is having the carcass and the VIN if the original drivetrain is long gone.

That's really not the way I read it.
 
I hate to wade back into this but thinking of them as rusted out piles is how that thing and many other muscle car era and later cars ended up in this state or crushed to start with.

Just a POS so why bother taking care of it ... and it only has 40K on it supposedly. It was probably thought of as a rusted out POS 30 years ago and left to rot, when it was actually in pretty damn good shape.

I imagine most cars that get the full on rotisserie restoration buy a shop, vs doing it yourself, are upside down on cost. Sure probably more so on this one due to condition and demand but if someone has the cash and or means I hope they do it.
 
Bottom line on this car is it is not financially wise to restore it. It will not be worth the restoration cost when done considering how much sheet metal isn't original and non matching drivetrain .

To echo Tallhair above....I think you'll find most restorations and 'save jobs' are this way.

Most owners are way upside down on their cars. Breaking even or making money on a car is rarely the motivation to restore a car. The economics just don't work that way.
 
I think the VIN showing it was a V code is worth the effort to restore if you have the means to do it. A matching numbers car will ALWAYS be worth more but a true V code SFGT with a period correct non-matching drive train will surely still be a valuable car.
 
I hate to wade back into this but thinking of them as rusted out piles is how that thing and many other muscle car era and later cars ended up in this state or crushed to start with.

Just a POS so why bother taking care of it ... and it only has 40K on it supposedly. It was probably thought of as a rusted out POS 30 years ago and left to rot, when it was actually in pretty damn good shape.

I imagine most cars that get the full on rotisserie restoration buy a shop, vs doing it yourself, are upside down on cost. Sure probably more so on this one due to condition and demand but if someone has the cash and or means I hope they do it.


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I think the VIN showing it was a V code is worth the effort to restore if you have the means to do it. A matching numbers car will ALWAYS be worth more but a true V code SFGT with a period correct non-matching drive train will surely still be a valuable car.

This car restored would be worth more than a lot of matching numbers cars. It's a V code and original production was minuscule.

A LOT of V code and Hemi cars have non numbers matching blocks. A lot of RR, GTX, Super Bee, R/T's and other HP 383 and 440 cars are missing their original blocks and some also missing the numbers matching tranny. High Performance cars were driven hard and wrecked and even if not totaled and gave up their drive train many the drive train was blown up and replaced. Numbers matching was never really considered by the masses at the time so many surviving cars that were parked and later resurrected are not numbers matching. This would apply to the Sport Fury GT V code cars too.

Numbers matching is also not that huge a deal for price of a muscle car unless it's a pretty special OE GOLD certified car or something. The quality of the resto, what the car is, what options, colors, convert vs hardtop, manual vs auto, etc have a bigger impact on price than numbers matching drive train. Numbers matching will affect your buyer pool more than the price for those that care about that more than other things.

The killer to a muscle car's value to many is a missing fender tag. Unfortunately the single biggest killer to this car is the missing fender tag, even more so than present condition to many people who would otherwise be interested I suspect..

A bonus but somewhat uncommon thing is build sheet. The SF GT in this ad has two build sheets. The build sheets somewhat make up for it to SOME people who may actually be interested because the build sheet actually has a lot more info than the fender tag, and you can get a reproduction fender tag ... still not as good as original though but to some OK with a build sheet to back it up.
 
there are [2] 71 GT 440-4.. T codes built... so not all were U code.. PP23T1D100235 & PP23T1D100266
Yes Dan. I should have added with the exception of your two early 71s.
 
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