Need your help on spreadsheet

[commando1]

Im surprised at the no. of replies. Gives me encouragement.

F%&$. Forgot about the Canadian versions. Oh you Canucks...
Canadian guys. Give me model names and specific years and I will add them.
They need to be included. No South African, Aussies, etc, PLEASE. lol

Thanks for the Imp clarifications. Not my strong suit. No offense to the Imp guys.

Horse beat unmercifully since Fall of 1964.

Why am I doing this. Hoping that Joey will put a permanent link to
it on his future home page. We ARE the last word on C-Bodies. Yes?

Biggest question of all:
Models like Polara... Can Polara suffice for all Polaras, as in Polara, Polara Custom, Polara 500, etc.?
My opinion is to not break it down to VIN classes.

Wagons... Yes. Need help with them.

if you folks don't do this it will never get done because all that knowlage is locked up in members minds here and they aint getting any younger...sorting out whats right and what wrong can be sorted out like gentlemen
there realy isn't anywhere else with the wealth of knowlage you'll find here...if there was we'd be over there...that's why lm here

Thanks, Critter. My reason for this exactly. Hopefully it will be a reference that other Forums can reference for the correct answer. Like we refer to Fuselage.de for example. (Think of all the hits, Joey.)

Nope. Don't want to break it down to body styles. I want a Chevy guy to look at the emblem of his late father's car and to know if it's a C-body or not.

My biggest weakness (outside of Formals) is the Years when available.

Yep, should be interesting to watch the debates. Im just gonna take notes.

 

[amazinblue82]

got your drift commando1..again, i like what you want to do and thanks for taking on beating this "old paint" again to more clearly establish "what's what" by the unimpeachable experts here.

Here is what Wikipedia says a "C" is... excerpt from link below:

Chrysler C platform - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A couple questions remain for me. is this Wiki thing even correct? can we make it better, clearer, more useful? is there value in adding the models (Polara Custom, 500, etc.), or commenting on ONLY the most relevant letters in the VIN (leave the decoding beyond that to the user of the spreadsheet - we stay out of that morass).

maybe mention the well-known packages..so that a user knows, for example, there was NO "town and country, imperial 500" wagon in 1972 or any year?

OR, did the Wiki contributors get it right to a sufficient degree (if they added ALL the various price classes and body styles - second-fourth letter in VIN stuff from the 70's for example) and we just say "yup", or "nope, fix this", or whatever?

Chrysler's C platform was the basis for rear wheel drive full-size cars from 1965 to 1978. Although often misclassified, 1964 and earlier full-size Chrysler products, and 1966 and earlier Imperials are not C-bodies.

Wheelbases:

• 119 in
  • 1965-1968 Plymouths (except wagons)

• 121 in** 1965-1966 Plymouth wagons
  • 1965-1966 Dodges
  • 1965-1966 Chrysler wagons
• 121.5 in
  • 1975-1977 Plymouths (except wagons)
  • 1974-1977 Dodges (except wagons)
• 122 in
  • 1967-1973 Plymouth wagons
  • 1974 Plymouth Fury III/Gran Fury
  • 1967-1973 Dodges
  • 1967-1973 Chrysler wagons
• 120 in
  • 1969-1973 Plymouths (except wagons)
  • 1974 Plymouth Fury I/II
• 124 in
  • 1974-1977 Plymouth and Dodge wagons
  • 1965-1978 Chrysler sedans
  • 1974-1978 Chrysler wagons
  • 1974-1975 Imperials
• 127 in
  • 1967-1973 Imperials

 

[commando1]

F&$# Wiki. Let them reference US. You're the experts.

 

[amazinblue82]

F&$# Wiki. Let them reference US. You're the experts.

agreed man. i aint got no stock in "wiki". we lay out the info correctly here, and somebody will update them or not --- makes me no difference what Wiki does/says as long we WE are RIGHT.

they are calling 67-73 Imps C's tho...and we know there are differences of opinion on that on FCBO. i hope we can put a stake in that one once and for all, one way or another.

so for whatever WE do, i was just trying to "scope the work" using what other public domain info exists/collected somewhere as potential INPUTS to what WE do such that, again, whatever is done HERE will result in the MOST accurate/definitive/useful source on "What is a C body?" than ANYTHING else out there.

 

[69CoronetRT]

Biggest question of all:
Models like Polara... Can Polara suffice for all Polaras, as in Polara, Polara Custom, Polara 500, etc.?
My opinion is to not break it down to VIN classes..

That's why I asked if you want VIN classifications.

In my opinion, yes, you need to have models by years.

Model as defined by VIN (PE, PM, PL, PP, etc) as those are separate distinct price point levels and not option packages i.e. 70 SFGT

I will offer help you if you want it.

oh...more worms....what do you want to do with fast tops?

 

[commando1]

Can we do this in baby steps.
I'd like to first get everyone's input on models.
Starting with PLYMOUTH, are the models shown satisfactory?
Adds and deletes?

Plymouth models

 

[The Horvaths]

We are missing the most important and common C body. The Sport Fury III.

 

[commando1]

1. In my opinion, yes, you need to have models by years.

2. I will offer help you if you want it.

1. I'll tackle it then. See my post above.
2. Absolutely x 1,000 And everybody else. I'm the newbie

 

[commando1]

We are missing the most important and common C body. The Sport Fury III.

No Plymouth Furries?

 

[polara71]

If you eliminate the Polara custom , 500 , brougham names then you must eliminate all Fury monikers and just put Fury.

 

[commando1]

If you eliminate the Polara custom , 500 , brougham names then you must eliminate all Fury monikers and just put Fury.

I agree. Will list models and monikers
When I get to Dodge, I will need a hand on all the models w/years.

I am starting with Plymouth and we'll go to Dodge next.

Plymouth models

 

[Fratzog]

I always manage to get confused with terminology. Is model the same thing as series? Would a useful break down be similar to that used by Standard Catalog of Chrysler: Series, Model #, Body Style #, Body Type and Seating or is this more involved than necessary? Model and body style come right off the VIN.

 

[69CoronetRT]

1. I'll tackle it then. See my post above.
2. Absolutely x 1,000 And everybody else. I'm the newbie

Two thoughts...as VIN code/model may have changed year to year, you may want to break them down by year.
Adding what body style was available for the sub model doesn't take that much more work.

(ROUGH draft...something I just threw together as an example)

 

[amazinblue82]

Two thoughts...as VIN code/model may have changed year to year, you may want to break them down by year.
Adding what body style was available for the sub model doesn't take that much more work.

(ROUGH draft...something I just threw together as an example)

Something like this is, if done by year if possible, is swingin'.

Minor point...to avoid ruffling police car people (and to nail down and stamp out a common area of debate) should we say (whatever yr in which it applies) that "PL" cars for example could have had "police packages" making them "equivalent" to "PK" cars.

There may be other analogous examples..or are we headed down a rathole if we take this kinda stuff on?

 

[commando1]

I always manage to get confused with terminology. Is model the same thing as series? Would a useful break down be similar to that used by Standard Catalog of Chrysler: Series, Model #, Body Style #, Body Type and Seating or is this more involved than necessary? Model and body style come right off the VIN.

I personally would like to list it by models.
e. g. Newport, Newport Custom, not...
Newport 2 dr sdn, Newport 4 dr sdn, Newport 2dr hdtp coupe, Newport 2dr Fast Top.
Then we get into body styles which thenyou could break down into infinitesimal increments which will cause even more arguing. Reg. vinyl top, Gator top... Ugh...

 

[commando1]

Two thoughts...as VIN code/model may have changed year to year, you may want to break them down by year.
Adding what body style was available for the sub model doesn't take that much more work.

(ROUGH draft...something I just threw together as an example)

What if we work with Models. And if there's debate, we can drag VIN into it.

I'd like to get all the models for ea. make sorted out at least.

 

[polara71]

"Something like this is, if done by year if possible, is swingin'.

Minor point...to avoid ruffling police car people (and to nail down and stamp out a common area of debate) should we say (whatever yr in which it applies) that "PL" cars for example could have had "police packages" making them "equivalent" to "PK" cars.

There may be other analogous examples..or are we headed down a rathole if we take this kinda stuff on? "



No, it is not a different line or model, it is a trim level. Fury encompasses everything, do we really have to name them all? Sure feelings will be hurt but we all really know that a Sport Fury is a Fury and a Fury I is a Fury and a Polara 500 or Brougham is a Polara ... the police car boys need to put on their big boy pants

 

[commando1]

Something like this is, if done by year if possible, is swingin'.

Minor point...to avoid ruffling police car people (and to nail down and stamp out a common area of debate) should we say (whatever yr in which it applies) that "PL" cars for example could have had "police packages" making them "equivalent" to "PK" cars.

There may be other analogous examples..or are we headed down a rathole if we take this kinda stuff on?

Ughhhh. Police, Taxi, Specil Service....
They are packages available in certain MODELS, Yes?

 

[Stormer]

Glad you ladies found something to do.

 

[commando1]

No, it is not a different line or model, it is a trim level. Fury encompasses everything, do we really have to name them all? Sure feelings will be hurt but we all really know that a Sport Fury is a Fury and a Fury I is a Fury and a Polara 500 or Brougham is a Polara ... the police car boys need to put on their big boy pants

Show of hands please.
Fury or Fury I, Fury II, etc,
Polara or Polara, Polara 500, etc.


My personal feeling?
If one model can make the point, for simplicity sake, Just Fury, Polara, Newport, it would make the chart more understandable.

If it is id'd by Chrysler as Sport Fury GT, then it comes under Fury.
If it was called a Plymouth GT, then give GTas a separate model.

I don't want it to be a Numbers Nazi thing.

But its up to you guys. Show of hands, please?