polara71
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Your kidding? They were all T's
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Your kidding? They were all T's
mdh157
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i wonder if the orig one was blown or is residing in another car
has2bmopar
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I'm not buying it.... :no: How do you buy and then sell a car, neither time writing the VIN# down on a bill of sale, and what of the title?
I could look further to see if the 1 car that had the U code 440 was a hardtop or post, and whether it was a 4spd or auto car...
However... it would be easier to just see a picture of the VIN, data plate and the door decal to see what is real and what isn't...
bluefury361
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I'm not buying it.... :no: How do you buy and then sell a car, neither time writing the VIN# down on a bill of sale, and what of the title?
I could look further to see if the 1 car that had the U code 440 was a hardtop or post, and whether it was a 4spd or auto car...
However... it would be easier to just see a picture of the VIN, data plate and the door decal to see what is real and what isn't...
It was a compulation of events that led to the oversite. The car had a heavy coating of moss after sitting for so long, The windshield was delaminated at the area of the VIN and there was a heavy coat of dust & dirt on the dash. So the dash VIN was almost impossible to read. The fender tag had been painted over and diffacult to read also, It looked like a "E63" code at casual glance. Add to that the driver door would not open due to some sort of issue with the latch.
Alabama does not issue titles to cars prior to 1973 and the fellow I got the car from had never licensed it.... So no regestration to look at.
Being a factory A/C car I knew it was not a 6bbl or hemi car and the owner said he thought it was an original 383 but had a mid 70's 440 in it when his dad had bought the car over 15 years ago. (He pulled the 440 and put it in his 66 Belvedere, which he still has).
I supplied a bill of sale with a "N" engine code. (Thats what it looked like).
Once the new owner removed the windshield he found the engine code to be a "U" and contacted me. I just sent him a notorized bill of sale with the corrected VIN #
I bought the car and sold it the same day. It never came home with me. I normally take more time researching but it happened fast and I did pretty good on flipping it. I'm happy it found such a good home too. Once Chris figured out what he had he made the decision to restor it back to as original as possible.
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has2bmopar
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E63 is the code for a 383 HP....
Also my records show the 1 RR with the 440 was a hardtop... (23)
E86 is the code for a 440 HP like on my GTX data plate...
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Also my records show the 1 RR with the 440 was a hardtop... (23)
E86 is the code for a 440 HP like on my GTX data plate...
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Isn't the data plate for this RR have E63 on it? I would think a U code RR would be something special and preserved throughout it's history instead of rotting away.
polara71
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It only became special in the 90's
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If the vin tag, door decal and the fender tag all have a U for an engine code but the fender tag also states 383 and you have no engine...in my mind you've got more evidence pointing towards it being a 440 car. Was a build sheet ever found?
ill tell you something that's been happening a lot lately to me and it has everything to do with living in the Detroit area. I've heard more and more stories being told by people that were in the plants where these things were built and I'm not going to say that it was an absolute free for all but I will say that it was substantially more loose then you'd think. I'm sure the same can be said for the other cities that had assembly plants. I also know that people made mistakes when stamping out these tags and decals but this one is pretty consistent. This guy is on FBBO, I'll go for a closer look at some point.
ill tell you something that's been happening a lot lately to me and it has everything to do with living in the Detroit area. I've heard more and more stories being told by people that were in the plants where these things were built and I'm not going to say that it was an absolute free for all but I will say that it was substantially more loose then you'd think. I'm sure the same can be said for the other cities that had assembly plants. I also know that people made mistakes when stamping out these tags and decals but this one is pretty consistent. This guy is on FBBO, I'll go for a closer look at some point.
bluefury361
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I have to agree with Matt. In the day the codes were only useful for assembly and dealer service purpose's and not much care was giving to correctness. (Were talking UAW workers here).
I might add that the fender tag engine codes were not the best means to ID what engine a car was built with. Example...... 1969 A12 road runners and Super Bee's all were built as "engine delete" cars and carried the E63, (383), codes on their fender tags. The A12 option code on the tag designated the engine upgrade. With a special built car such as this runner may have been it could have been a "engine delete" build also.
I did see a build sheet under the rear seat bottom. (It was turned upside down in the car), but it was in real bad condition and the car was full of trash so I didn't fool with it.
I plan on keeping in touch with the owner and try to keep updated on the car. Sure is an interesting 70 runner.
It would be interesting to get the engine code off that build sheet or another build sheet that may be in the car.
I'm sure with the UAW team.......a 440 or two went into 68-70 RR's.
I'm sure with the UAW team.......a 440 or two went into 68-70 RR's.
polara71
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Please keep us posted, its an interesting story...
I still cant get over no 440-4 in a 70 RR
I still cant get over no 440-4 in a 70 RR
Only available in Dodge's for 1970.
polara71
Old Man with a Hat
And GTX....... Just never realized it
bluefury361
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I was suprised to learn that too. The "U" code 440 was available in the GTX & R/T Coronet/Charger, (std.),And the Cuda, Challenger and Cbodys, just not the Road Runner, (not sure about Super Bee's).
Perhaps, like in 68/69, the thinking was that it would conflict with GTX & R/T sales.
And the Superbird...........
has2bmopar
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Yes it does... the engine code for 383HP. A U code '70 RR is/was something special... AND it is/was a hardtop... 23, not 21...
There is NO evidence that there is a U code anywhere on this car, so your kidding.... Right?
The 1 U code 440 RR for '70 was a hardtop... Strike 1
The data plate shows it to have a 383 HP... Strike 2
The guy that sold Will the car said it was a 383 car, and Will said when he looked at the VIN it looked like an N... Strike 3
There were 6888 383 auto post RRs built in '70 and much more prevalent are the liars in this world.
Will is being lied to.... I'll wager on it...
This bag is now empty...
bluefury361
Old Man with a Hat
The Superbee in 1968, 1969, and 1970 were 383 or Hemi only. The A12 6 pack was available late 1969 1/2.
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