Sense and nonsense of fender tags
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69CoronetRT
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A stunning car, congrats! What does it say on the second tag? And also, do you happen to know where the car was sold when new? N96 did not apply to whole states, only to designated counties.
Thank you. The 2nd tag lists the S61 steering wheel. From what I was told, the car was in the Las Vegas area from 1977-2017.
Elsewhere I surmised that 1977 North Carolina Highway Patrol Gran Fury Broughams would have a M33 sales code on their fender tag to account for the unusual combination of 3/4 body side mouldings while deleting the Brougham-only bright sill moulding.
That was not my best day. A simple check of the broadcast sheet pic included in that post shows that there is no code M33 mentioned, but M39 is. The problem with M39 is that it is an undocumented code. At least, it does not show up in the sales codes listing on the back of the 1977 broadcast sheet.
That was not my best day. A simple check of the broadcast sheet pic included in that post shows that there is no code M33 mentioned, but M39 is. The problem with M39 is that it is an undocumented code. At least, it does not show up in the sales codes listing on the back of the 1977 broadcast sheet.
According to the 1974 Dealership Data Books, the 375 cca battery is mounted across the Mopar model line-up, in combination with 360 and 400 cid engines. Sales code F23 is its designation. Trawling the web I found five 1974 broadcast sheets where one would expect this battery, but only once F23 is the battery code. The other four have F24, a code that in the books corresponds to the 325 cca battery introduced in the 1977 model year:
F23
(20) JH23L4B326539 wo/airco Challenger, SPD 218
F24
(66) PH43K4F111X19 wo/airco Fury, SPD 926
(66) RM21L4G285556 w/airco Satellite, SPD 605
(66) WH23L4A265080 w/airco Coronet, SPD 626
(66) WP29K4G194061 w/airco Coronet, SPD 211
The number in brackets are the last two digits of the part number. I happen to have some info on those part numbers from AMA/MVMA specification forms. There its says for the Fury:
1973 (rev. 3-6-73)
3755066, 315 cca w/360 cid
3755069, 440 cca w/440 cid
3755120 , 375 cca w/400 cid
1974 (7-11-73)
3755120, 375 cca w/360, 400 cid
3755069, 440 cca w/440 cid
And yes, a 1973 Polara broadcast sheet has
F24
(66) DM43K3D289566 w/airco Polara, SPD 514
and the Fury Dealership Databooks list among the battery choices
1972
55 amp.-hr. (Std. w/optional 360 only)
1973
315 Ampere (55 amp.-hr.) (Std. w/optional 360 engine)
So part 3755066 was a 315 cca, 55 a/h battery originally intended for the 360 cid engine and still used on the 1974 Fury, although the Dealership Data Book and the MVMA form do not acknowledge this. I wonder if a salesman ever mentioned this to clients.
Conclusion: F24 has two meanings, 315 cca battery up to 1974, 325 cca battery from 1977 on.
F23
(20) JH23L4B326539 wo/airco Challenger, SPD 218
F24
(66) PH43K4F111X19 wo/airco Fury, SPD 926
(66) RM21L4G285556 w/airco Satellite, SPD 605
(66) WH23L4A265080 w/airco Coronet, SPD 626
(66) WP29K4G194061 w/airco Coronet, SPD 211
The number in brackets are the last two digits of the part number. I happen to have some info on those part numbers from AMA/MVMA specification forms. There its says for the Fury:
1973 (rev. 3-6-73)
3755066, 315 cca w/360 cid
3755069, 440 cca w/440 cid
3755120 , 375 cca w/400 cid
1974 (7-11-73)
3755120, 375 cca w/360, 400 cid
3755069, 440 cca w/440 cid
And yes, a 1973 Polara broadcast sheet has
F24
(66) DM43K3D289566 w/airco Polara, SPD 514
and the Fury Dealership Databooks list among the battery choices
1972
55 amp.-hr. (Std. w/optional 360 only)
1973
315 Ampere (55 amp.-hr.) (Std. w/optional 360 engine)
So part 3755066 was a 315 cca, 55 a/h battery originally intended for the 360 cid engine and still used on the 1974 Fury, although the Dealership Data Book and the MVMA form do not acknowledge this. I wonder if a salesman ever mentioned this to clients.
Conclusion: F24 has two meanings, 315 cca battery up to 1974, 325 cca battery from 1977 on.
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69CoronetRT
Senior Member
Without the collection at the 1970 Hamtramck Registry it would be impossible!
Taking the Scheduled Production Date as a rough indication, one may wonder how deep in the 1974 model year they continued mounting the 315 cca, part #3755066, instead of the promised 375 cca battery, part #3755120. As for the C-bodies, probably throughout the model year run, as a broadcast sheet snippet for a Monaco, VIN DP41K4D258661, with 66 in the battery slot has an SPD of 701. Actually the sole Challenger in the previous post with the "regular" 375 cca battery, SPD 218, seems to be the odd one out.
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patrick66
Old Man with a Hat
My old 1969 Dart GTS 440 is a factory disc brake car. Discs were not available on the 440 cars. However. I contacted the original owner, in 1988 who bought the car new from Hinckley Dodge in SLC, UT in 1969. He remembered the car well and confirmed it had discs. No indicator on the fender tag or the build sheet.
So, I've always wondered if it was pure chance it got them, or simply overlooked during the build. Or, the wrong build sheet was read as the car came down the line.
So, I've always wondered if it was pure chance it got them, or simply overlooked during the build. Or, the wrong build sheet was read as the car came down the line.
Hoping to find more info on the part numbers and ratings for 1974 batteries I downloaded the Parts Book from the MyMopar site. The alternator part numbers are there, except for the Leece-Neville items ("Order replacement parts from your nearest Leece-Neville Distributor"), but nothing about batteries. Batteries are highly substitutable items, so it somehow makes sense, but still Chrysler issued part numbers for them and noted them on the broadcast sheets.
Is there some other place to look for the 1974 battery part numbers? The MVMA form only mentions standard equipment.
Is there some other place to look for the 1974 battery part numbers? The MVMA form only mentions standard equipment.
69CoronetRT
Senior Member
Did you check Hamtramck Historical ;) The 1970 Hamtramck Registry - 1974 Mopar Parts Accessories Catalog Price List (Page 1)
Actually I didn't, but the Mopar replacement numbers are different from the Chrysler part numbers noted in the 1973-1974 AMA/MVMA Fury documentation and on the broadcast sheets:
1973:
2875951: 280 cca, 46 a/h, w/318 cid
3755066: 315 cca, 55 a/h, w/360 cid
3755120: 375 cca, 59 a/h, w/400 cid
3755069: 440 cca, 70 a/h, w/440 cid
1974:
3755120: 375 cca, 59 a/h, w/360, 400 cid
3755069: 440 cca, 70 a/h, w/440 cid
To which might correspond in the 1974 Mopar price list:
46 a/h, group size 22F: 2098401
55 a/h (nothing)
59 a/h, group size 24: 2444611
70 a/h (nothing)
As the ratings do not coincide in some cases, the Mopar-offered replacement batteries must have been different from the factory-installed ones.
1973:
2875951: 280 cca, 46 a/h, w/318 cid
3755066: 315 cca, 55 a/h, w/360 cid
3755120: 375 cca, 59 a/h, w/400 cid
3755069: 440 cca, 70 a/h, w/440 cid
1974:
3755120: 375 cca, 59 a/h, w/360, 400 cid
3755069: 440 cca, 70 a/h, w/440 cid
To which might correspond in the 1974 Mopar price list:
46 a/h, group size 22F: 2098401
55 a/h (nothing)
59 a/h, group size 24: 2444611
70 a/h (nothing)
As the ratings do not coincide in some cases, the Mopar-offered replacement batteries must have been different from the factory-installed ones.
As noted in the thread on the 1974 Mopar colors, the new dark chestnut paint on the 1973 Fury Special is mentioned on the fender tag by a color code for the 1974 model year, KT9 Dark Chestnut Metallic:
The Gold Sticker Value program also brought us the 1973 Newport Navajo, with its new Navajo Copper Metallic paint. The fender tag acknowledges this color with a 1973 model year paint code, JK3:
Both these new colors were introduced around the same time, I would think. The sales program started in late January, 1973, Newport Navajo and Fury Special are mentioned in Gold Sticker Value ads in February and by late February, early March you get ads that mention their colors as well:
(Chelsea Standard, March 15, 1973)
Both colors continued in the 1974 model year, KT9 as a generally available color, JK3 again reserved for the 1974 Newport Navajo.
Why on earth would one of those colors be coded as a new-for-1973 color and the other as a 1974 color? As guessing is free, I offer the following theory: KT9 was intended to be continued into 1974 right from the start, JK3 was carried over into 1974 because of the sales success of the Newport Navajo.
The Gold Sticker Value program also brought us the 1973 Newport Navajo, with its new Navajo Copper Metallic paint. The fender tag acknowledges this color with a 1973 model year paint code, JK3:
Both these new colors were introduced around the same time, I would think. The sales program started in late January, 1973, Newport Navajo and Fury Special are mentioned in Gold Sticker Value ads in February and by late February, early March you get ads that mention their colors as well:
(Chelsea Standard, March 15, 1973)
Both colors continued in the 1974 model year, KT9 as a generally available color, JK3 again reserved for the 1974 Newport Navajo.
Why on earth would one of those colors be coded as a new-for-1973 color and the other as a 1974 color? As guessing is free, I offer the following theory: KT9 was intended to be continued into 1974 right from the start, JK3 was carried over into 1974 because of the sales success of the Newport Navajo.
68PK21 440.6bbl
Old Man with a Hat
Nice thread to the OP, maybe someday I'll find time to read through it all uninterrupted. In another thread which I don't have time to remember or find again there was talk about little metal tags added to the FT with punchouts. I remember seeing these over the years but really wasn't into the science of decoding but I did see such punchout tag recently in a online ad so rather than find that other thread I'll plant it here for reference. (from a 1968 Fury)
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68PK21 440.6bbl
Old Man with a Hat
No I don't think it was that post, that's a nice collection of the punch tags but the last post was March 1st and I missed that one I think, the post I remember was in a thread in the past couple of weeks and it was just a question/mention of the punchout tag IIRC. (in most likely a post that went >sideways<).
Correction! Actually I have no proof that JK3 was still used in 1974. I got fooled by a pic of a 1974 Newport with the Navajo seats and an exterior color that might just as well be KT5 Sienna Metallic. In 1974 you could get Navajo seats with many different exterior colors.
SGT FURY
Senior Member
Other than fleet cars,does anybody have two or more fender tags that are identical in every way?
Same color,radio,vynil top,engine,trans,a/c,etc,etc.
Just curious as to if every Chrysler Product is a one of one in its own way?
Same color,radio,vynil top,engine,trans,a/c,etc,etc.
Just curious as to if every Chrysler Product is a one of one in its own way?
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