Sense and nonsense of fender tags

[polara71]

Other than fleet cars,does anybody have two or more fender tags that are identical in every way?


Same color,radio,vynil top,engine,trans,a/c,etc,etc.
Just curious as to if every Chrysler Product is a one of one in its own way?

Aside from the VIN and VON yes

 

[cuda hunter]

I've seen a few ebodies that were identical.

 

[PeugFra]

Clearly that is a challenge I can't resist. I think with 1978 New Yorker Brougham Salon tags you can get lucky pretty easily, because they already control for body paint and trim options. This one has cloth seats (PZ):

This one has a sun roof (M51):

But apart from that, the tags are the same.

Wait until I have 10 1978 Salon tags and I'm sure there will be identical ones among them. You could play the same game with the 1973 Newport Navajo.

 

[PeugFra]

Special editions make it easier. But also with normal production cars it should be possible. These two 1974 Monaco tags only differ for the vinyl roof color and the seat option:

 

[69CoronetRT]

Other than fleet cars,does anybody have two or more fender tags that are identical in every way?
Same color,radio,vynil top,engine,trans,a/c,etc,etc.
Just curious as to if every Chrysler Product is a one of one in its own way?

Due to Scheduled Production dates and how sales order (SO) numbers and vehicle order numbers (VON) were assigned, you could not have two identical tags.

You can have two cars that are virtually and substantially the same with color, stripe, driveline, power options etc. The mostly likely scenario is promo cars of some sort i.e. dealer cars, parade cars, model introduction demos or sales bank package cars like AARs, T/As, Superbirds, Hurst modified/built cars.

Given the number of options, colors, drivelines, stripes, it is easy to have a one of one car. Once you go through the permutations, you often wind up with more possible combinations than cars actually built. Finding two cars that are exactly alike is hard to do.

Below are two tags from 69 Coronet R/T convertible promo (960*** VONs) cars. They are part of a batch of 5 cars. Notice the VINs and VONs are both four apart. Also notice the VINs are in the 107*** range but with an SPD of 801. One would expect to find this VIN range with cars in the 815+ SPD range.

This is further proof that cars were NOT built on their SPDs.

 

[PeugFra]

Other than fleet cars,does anybody have two or more fender tags that are identical in every way?
Same color,radio,vynil top,engine,trans,a/c,etc,etc.

To answer this with a theoretical approach I did a little number game. I worked out the total number of possible combinations for the "must" codes on the fender tags of 1974 Fury IIIs. Those are Body Style, Engine, Body Paint, Seats/Trim, Vinyl Roof and Heating/Cooling. The Upper Door Frame Color depends on the Trim, so that can be neglected. A radio was another must option, but the Radio code does not appear on the 1974 Fury fender tag. With the help of the Color and Trim Selector you can determine the number of combinations for each body style and color. The 2-Door had three seat options against four options for 4-Doors, which in turn changes the number of Seat/Trim combinations available. Preliminary result:
455 (4-door)
414 (2-door)

Now we can multiply these results by the number of engine (K, J, M, N, T) and heating (H41, H51, H53) options. Not all combinations occurred equally often, though. I haven't seen a single 4-Door Sedan with the 440 engine yet and H41 is rare, so this really is the maximum variation to be expected, whereas the real-world variation was most likely less.
6825 (4-door)
6210 (2-door)

After that it becomes free variation of additional codes, depending on individual choices.

But the body color choices were not uniformly distributed. Avocado Gold and Tahitian Gold ruled, whereas colors like Silver Frost and Rallye Red were probably at the opposite side of the scale. The number of vinyl top, trim and seat combinations for these popular color choices on 4-door/2-door body styles are:
12/10 Avocado Gold
32/29 Tahitian Gold

Likewise, some additional codes occurred more often than others, like L31 and L81 from the Light Package and no other options added.

As the 4-door sedan with a total production of 27,965 was the most frequent body style, the probability to find two identical fender tags for an Avocado Gold 1974 Fury III sedan with the Light Package as the only additional option is relatively high. If, on the other hand, you're after unique fender tags for one out of one cars you'd concentrate your search on Tahitian Gold 2-doors, with only 14,167 produced the least frequent body style.

 

[69CoronetRT]

...the probability to find two identical fender tags for an Avocado Gold 1974 Fury III sedan with the Light Package as the only additional option is relatively high.... .

The question was if you can have 'fender tags identical in every way' not if you can have identical cars based on options.

Due to the way VONs and VINs were assigned and coded on tags....No. Tags cannot be identical. Fender tags are, by nature and on purpose, unique to a specific car.

 

[PeugFra]

Then the question was obviously of no interest. I preferred to see it as an interesting question, as it elaborated on the one out of one discussion.

OK, I'll restate that:

... mutatis mutandis the probability to find two identical fender tags for an Avocado Gold Fury III sedan with the Light Package as the only additional option is relatively high ...

 

[PeugFra]

After the theory, the agonizingly few facts at hand, from five 1974 Fury IIIs for which I have the additional info:

1. PH23-E57-KG2-V1G-D4G6-H51-[A01]
2. PH43-E57-JY9-VY1-D4Y3-H41-[A01]
3. PH41-E57-KL8-V1L-C1L3-H51-[A01]-N88
4. PH41-E63-EW1-V1G-C1G6-H51-[A01]-G25
5. PH41-E63-DY2-DY2-D4L3-H51

A01 is not actually stamped on the tag, but L31 and L81 are.

The rare choices are 440 Engine (none), no Vinyl Roof (car #5), 50/50 Split Bench Seat (none), no Airco (car #2), no Light Package (car #5). When you find a car in a rare body color that combines these choices, you're coming closer to a one out of one 1974 Fury III. Looks like a rather racy car to me.

(More actual fender tags can and probably will change this result, so don't hold back with them.)

 

[ph23vo]

Other than fleet cars,does anybody have two or more fender tags that are identical in every way?
Same color,radio,vynil top,engine,trans,a/c,etc,etc.
Just curious as to if every Chrysler Product is a one of one in its own way?

my 69 M code 440 cuda has an exact twin fender tag out there.... other than order # and vin # cars are 20 apart 920009 and 920029 236781 and 237801

 

[polara71]

my 69 M code 440 cuda has an exact twin fender tag out there.... other than order # and vin # cars are 20 apart 920009 and 920029 236781 and 237801

We've established that aside from VIN & VON there are likely lots of twins.

 

[cuda hunter]

my 69 M code 440 cuda has an exact twin fender tag out there.... other than order # and vin # cars are 20 apart 920009 and 920029 236781 and 237801

Do you have a thread anywhere with details on this car? Sounds awesome!

 

[ph23vo]

Do you have a thread anywhere with details on this car? Sounds awesome!

no but you can look em up i bet on the net BH23M9B236781 AND 801

 

[cuda hunter]

Nice car.

 

[ph23vo]

yep numbers motor but not trans... hated the v top on it though..

 

[68PK21 440.6bbl]

You all like tags here's some random stuff I've found.

A engine block VIN number, any guess?

This one may have been posted (rerun)

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[68PK21 440.6bbl]

Couple more for someone that is collecting them.

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[PeugFra]

Thanks, but if you have some stuff off 1974-1977 (Gran) Furys, you'd trigger my curiosity.

I admit that the 1971 PE41's transmission and engine are a rare sight on C-body fender tags.

 

[68PK21 440.6bbl]

Thanks, but if you have some stuff off 1974-1977 (Gran) Furys, you'd trigger my curiosity.

I admit that the 1971 PE41's transmission and engine are a rare sight on C-body fender tags.

I hear ya on that, I really haven't seen much come up in my Fury searches lately in the C-Body 74 to 77 years. It's odd as usually they show up with the general Plymouth Fury search criteria. I just did some year and "Gran Fury" specific searching and came up with nothing, I'll go through my saved pics and see what I have for ya but I'm not going to spend time sorting dups & reruns.

Here's a big tag I saw today.

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[69CoronetRT]

You all like tags here's some random stuff I've found.

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Thank you.

I find it fascinating as to how little the Windsor plant coded on tags until part way through the 69 model year.