VIN Numbers

I'am also trying to figure out if you go state route what do you tell your insurance company? ? I really have a 67 newport Conv which is kind of rare...... but I didn't get any paper work so it's valued at..... yeah....... that doesn't work......
 
I think people have a better idea that most hotrods are several vehicles combined. Just trying to see how insuring that would work?


His options are to get a state-assigned VIN and a title for it. Or, he can get the numbers off a wrecked '67 Chrysler convertible and attach those to the car, risking jail time and more for as long as that car exists. There is a reason that the VIN and fender tags just happen to be missing, and I do not think they are as innocent as the former owner somehow "forgetting" to reattach them, or misplacing them.

A car with a state-assigned VIN really does not lose the value you think it does. Years ago, I had a car that ended up requiring me to get a state-assigned VIN (a hot rod assembled from over a dozen vehicles). It was titled as a homebuilt car, versus a 1936 Chevy. No problems selling that car at all.
 
As long as no miss-representation is intended, no harm is done.

"Ignorance of the law is no excuse", is the answer you'd get from Johnny Law. I could shoot someone with malice and forethought, or I could trip on a rock and shoot my hunting partner. Both are murder, but one is intentional and the other an accident. Either way, I'd see jail time.
 
The first thing I would do is pull the front and rear seats and look in the springs to see if there is a build sheet. If you find one, you have the vin and everything else to reproduce a plate.. There are places that reproduce correct data and vin plates. I googled and found one so far... http://www.mmcdetroit.com/Datatags/ Should make things legal.


Edit*** I have also found build sheets under the carpet and under the dash in places like the top of the glove compartment.
 
So is drinking and driving..... what's worse.
Are you sure there are numbers stamped into the body of a 67.... such as is the case with 68-later cars...? And it would take a savvy inspector to even know that on a car that is likely older then him.

The option is to part out or scrap a very nice car. As long as no miss-representation is intended, no harm is done.
The 67's definitely have the SON on the radiator support and trunk lip. That same number is on the fender tag. Better no tag than the wrong one, my 66 has them as well.

The sequential order number was not assigned for theft, but to keep the correct build sheet details on the car as it was ordered. The Vin# was the last thing to be assigned.
 
Hopefully the mice, and the painters left them there......



The first thing I would do is pull the front and rear seats and look in the springs to see if there is a build sheet. If you find one, you have the vin and everything else to reproduce a plate.. There are places that reproduce correct data and vin plates. I googled and found one so far... http://www.mmcdetroit.com/Datatags/ Should make things legal.
 
The 67's definitely have the SON on the radiator support and trunk lip. That same number is on the fender tag. Better no tag than the wrong one, my 66 has them as well.

Thanks for confirming .. my memory is not totally gone :)

w/o checking my memory (possibly wrong) it's not the VIN number on the rad support prior to 69 .. it's the shipping order number which was also on the fender tag (in this case gone).

The SO number may also be on the body behind the rear bumper on a 67 B body .. no idea on a C body
 
They do, my 65' and 66 dart have them, as does the 67' Newport. Hundreds of cars per day can be confusing without some way to keep the order sheet with the right car. Otherwise, a Hemi may have found it's way into a station wagon or something! Now that would be cool!LoL
 
The 67's definitely have the SON on the radiator support and trunk lip. That same number is on the fender tag. Better no tag than the wrong one, my 66 has them as well.
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If that's true then the complete VIN should be easy to come up with. The first five digits describe the type of car. carline, price class, body type, engine, model year, build plant. add the sequence and you have the VIN #. Then perhaps you have something to trace. There may be a couple of options on the build plant code but the remaining codes should be consistant.
 

If that's true then the complete VIN should be easy to come up with. The first five digits describe the type of car. carline, price class, body type, engine, model year, build plant. add the sequence and you have the VIN #. Then perhaps you have something to trace. There may be a couple of options on the build plant code but the remaining codes should be consistant.

Lets not confuse the issue any more, there is no way to reverse engineer a VIN on a 67.


Alan
 
As mrmoparchip said, you can't backtrack. the SON was at the top of the buildsheet, and the bottom of the fender tag, bottom right, which listed all the selected options for that car. The VIN# was assigned at the end of the build, but not Included on the buildsheet or tag. This applied thru 1968. In 67' the son was five digits, in 68' there were six. In 1969 as part of the clean air act, Emissions were restricted further, and VIN numbers were assigned to the fender tag and the buildsheet to discourage theft, and , which is why those numbers were also stamped on the drivetrains in a more uniformly fashion. In the end, no fender tag, no SON.

The confusion I believe is the SON is not the VIN#. they are two different numbers that have nothing to do with each other.
However, Others here are also correct, in that all that is looked at with these old cars is the VIN# and Title, in most states. That tells us all that we are quite old, and we are speaking of cars that are 48+ years old. That is like speaking of cars made in 1922 when I graduated from high school in 1970. I feel in reality, we are becoming quite irrelevant. So will cops chase old farts like us? not likely.LoL
 
It would look something like this......

CM27G73xxxxxx (Chrysler Newport convertible 383 2bbl, 1967, Jefferson ave, sequence stamped into body).

Not in 67

The body stampings (not VINs)

Off of my 67 Barracuda 7 2 B29 02016
7-Year
2-Plant
B29-Date
02016 SON not VIN

A 68
Plant
Year
Car Line
SON

A 69
Plant
Year
VIN (last 6)

The 67 Newport in question, all we know of the VIN is... CE27*73****** the asterisks are still unknown.
You need a VIN tag (not on data plate in 67) or Broadcast Sheet or Certicard or Registration Card or Title or IBM punch card

Maybe an old service receipt with the plate on it.


Alan
 
Vin tag and title will be the only 2 pieces of the puzzle that have a vin on them at all. Without either of those the car will likely never know if its stolen or not...
so after reading Patrick's post below there are 3 items with vin...
 
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As mrmoparchip said, you can't backtrack. the SON was at the top of the buildsheet, and the bottom of the fender tag, bottom right, which listed all the selected options for that car. The VIN# was assigned at the end of the build, but not Included on the buildsheet or tag. The confusion I believe is the SON is not the VIN#. they are two different numbers that have

Nope, I can guarantee that the VIN was assigned before the car was ever built, AND that the VIN is at the top of the build sheet. I have five '66 and '67 build sheets in front of me where I can say this. Think about it...why would the VIN be on the build sheet at all, if it were assigned AFTER the build was complete???
 
It looks like an "assigned" VIN will be the best, and only, way to get the car registered.
Still, from the looks of the car, it would be a worth while endeavor.
 
Nope, I can guarantee that the VIN was assigned before the car was ever built, AND that the VIN is at the top of the build sheet. I have five '66 and '67 build sheets in front of me where I can say this. Think about it...why would the VIN be on the build sheet at all, if it were assigned AFTER the build was complete???
Sorry Patrick66, I mispoke, and agree the VIN was on the buildsheet, I blame the gremlin in the computer for not typing correctly. My fault. I was Intending to refer to when the tag was installed on the car, not typed on the buildsheet. A retired assembly line worker I spoke with years ago said he looked at the buildsheet as it went down the line, not any VIN#, as it wasn't on the car yet, thru 67'. the SON was stamped in the beginning, and the tech's read the buildsheet, matched it to the body, and installed whatever was ordered as the car moved along. That is why the number was on the body. The VIN tag was Installed according to him towards the end, as a tech looked at the buildsheet, and matched the correct VIN tag to the car. I forgot to ask when the fender tag went on, I assume before paint, as they are painted. At least this was the way it was done at the plant he worked at.(Los Angeles I believe.)
Sorry for the misstatement. I may have to quit typing late at night after working all day. LoL
 
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