Which power steering box for 67 Chrysler from rockauto?

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Hello,

my power steering box has a lot of play in it and needs to be replaced, which brand can you recommend?
I found different qualities at rockauto, but which can I buy? I live in Germany and need shipping to Europe.

Thank you in advance,

Lars
 
Might look at the Firm Feel website for rebuilt Chrysler gear boxes. Also the Borgeson website, too. I suspect both can ship to you.

You can get new hoses from RockAuto, though.

CBODY67
 
FWIW, I have seen comments that Cardone's quality has gone downhill.
Read around and decide for yourself?
 
Ask 10 people about reman stuff and you'll get 10 different answers. The price is right. Cardone didn't build it. They just refurbed it. I'd buy it if I needed it.
 
my power steering box has a lot of play in it and needs to be replaced,

Have you tried to adjust the backlash out of it? Is it leaking?

What shape is the pitman arm in? I can't imagine it's in good shape if the steering gear is messed up. A new pitman arm is going to be a lot harder to get, and it's not going to be cheap.
 
From my observation, the place the gearbox will need adjustment is on the input side, where the rag joint is. If you turn the steering wheel, you'll probably notice the input shaft moving in or out before the car's wheels make any effort to turn from straight.

As to "Cardone", they might not have designed/built the gearbox they are selling, but it is the quality of the reman process that never has really been up to specs. OEM specs that is. I will also add that many reman gearboxes might need a bit of tweaking to get them "right".

Rather than trust a generic reman company, I'd much rather trust somebody like Firm Feel or Steer and Gear that is more MoPar-specific in their products. FWIW EVEN it might cost a bit more.

In the 1980s, my late machine shop associate laughingly associated "Cardone" with "Capone". In the years after that, Cardone seemed to become as big as they came to be by purchasing smaller regional rebuilding companies. Over time, they became the ONE that everybody carried as they were now the ONLY one in that field. BTAIM

On my Chrysler cars, I've had to replace a few idler arms, but no pitman arms. Just my experiences.

Enjoy!
CBODY67
 
"From my observation, the place the gearbox will need adjustment is on the input side, where the rag joint is. If you turn the steering wheel, you'll probably notice the input shaft moving in or out before the car's wheels make any effort to turn from straight."

Correct.
 
Hmmm idk if TÜV allows as you know they are partsnazis but look at the Borgeson units, thats a more modern feel conversion.
 
Are the Borgeson units just reman Saginaw gear boxes? While the units in our C-bodies are known as Eaton?
 
Back when I was digging into this, it appears they are Delphi units, although I never found a modern OEM version that matched the C-body version.
I found similar ones, but different mounting and/or different valving.
And none had that curved end at the bottom of the housing.
Only ones I found to match the C-body application were parts store units.

Reportedly Borgeson does some massaging of them, but I don't remember the details. It was something that improved them, not somethign mandatory.
 
I don't know that I've ever heard of a "name of origin" given to the Chrysler power steering gearboxes in the past, just that it was unique to Chrysler products. It is my understanding that the Borgeson gearboxes are 2000s-era Jeep gearboxes, which have the "modern feel" (with less slop) than prior OEM Chrysler units.

In the 1960s, the OEM power steering gearboxes were usually more robust in nature than most which came after them. The GM800 series was the OEM box for GM vehicles. Same internals with different mounting lugs for different frame mounting orientations. The Chrysler OEM boxes were similar, best I can tell.

Steering gearboxes are usually "sized" by the weight of the vehicle they control and the needed "torque capacity" of turning the wheels/overcoming related resistance of tires and road surface tractional forces. Which can mean "robustness" is definitely an orientation. Which is why the Chevy Vega gearboxes were used on some "roadster" drag cars in the 1970s era.

In this orientation, I've been questioning of the smaller Jeep gearbox on a heavier C-body vehicle, at least initially. Then you consider the weight and tires on that "smaller" Jeep and it all can feed into the C-body orientations better than suspected. Also knowing that most "later designs" are usually "weight loss engineered" without compromising ultimate strength in the process.

The "beauty" of an aftermarket company is that they get to pick and choose what they modify to fit non-designed-for vehicles. A friend termed the Chrysler Borgeson gearbox . . . "A cop car steering gear with different mounting lugs on it". BTAIM

As to "Delphi" . . . there were many GM divisions which did work for and produced components for non-GM vehicles. In the 1980s, GM spun-off some of these prior divisions so they could "grow" in this area, in the future. Delphi resulted. Ford had Visteon. As a contractee, GM could also require "GM" be cast into certain housings, as before, as a part of the contract specs and parts design ID orientation. Just as "Delphi" could be cast into non-OEM items.

As I recall, Delphi includes Saginaw Steering, Harrison heat exchangers, and a few others. As they expanded their non-GM OEM businesses and aftermarket sales of OEM-level items. In some cases, mirroring or replacing some prior/later ACDelco items in the process.

The "bad" part is that as a contractor, Delphi then came under the same "competitive bidding process" of what GM wanted to pay rather than what it cost to produce the item. Which usually means new OEM designs which cost less to purchase by the OEMs. AND all that might imply.

Enjoy!
CBODY67
 
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I had heard the Jeep reference somewhere (maybe from you?) and I looked at Jeep gearboxes on RockAuto. Didn't find one that looked the same as the target box.

Agreed for all of that on the capacity requirements on a gearbox. The taller wheels/tires on modern vehicles, even though alum rims, still have the load from 'gyroscopic behavior' (for lack of the correct engineering description). The fact that the output spline to the pitman arm matches is a good indicator of its suitability.

And yes, FEA engineering would've been done to minimize the gearbox's mass, allowing it that lighter weight.

I probably just need to buy a parts-store box and make sure it's the Delphi type and matches the mountign points, then put it on a shelf. I have a knack for planning parts for a future project, and then when I'm ready to buy, they are AWOL.
 
I've ended up with parts for projects that could have happened 20 years ago, but didn't. All great parts when purchased. Now ANTIQUES!
 
Are the Borgeson units just reman Saginaw gear boxes? While the units in our C-bodies are known as Eaton?
I am not sure but they are also a lot smaller and lighter. Required the column to be cut and fit for the universal joint BUT there is a direct replacement available that wont require shortening the column. I suggested it because with tax, import tax, shipping and all that, thats what I would do if I was still in Germany and had to order from the US.
 
Have you tried to adjust the backlash out of it? Is it leaking?

What shape is the pitman arm in? I can't imagine it's in good shape if the steering gear is messed up. A new pitman arm is going to be a lot harder to get, and it's not going to be cheap.
I will check that, when I am in the workshop
 
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