Will these work?

[74delta]

So I bought a set of wheels that I thought were mopar road wheels turn out to be fords. Bolt pattern is good and they sit nice and flush against the drums but they do not go all the way as deep so the bearing hub does not support the wheel. They go on it enough that all is lined up and not loose but definitely not all the way onto it. So my question is, are these safe to run?

 

[Davea Lux]

They need to ride on the hub or you will eventually start breaking wheel lugs off. I would not run them.

Dave

 

[413]

He states they fit nice and flush to the drum.

what do you mean the bearing hub does not support the wheel. The only place the wheel touches the drum/hub is the flat part where the wheel studs are. The wheel doesn’t touch anyplace else on the hub.

 

[bigmoparjeff]

You can use the Ford wheels no problem. Just can't use the short Ford center caps.

Looks like you have a set of the universal/Chrysler centers already.

Jeff

 

[74delta]

He states they fit nice and flush to the drum.

what do you mean the bearing hub does not support the wheel. The only place the wheel touches the drum/hub is the flat part where the wheel studs are. The wheel doesn’t touch anyplace else on the hub.

So to explain it a little better I took a couple pictures. The new wheels only contact the drum at the studs.the hub only mildy protrudes through the center bore of the rim as the inside of the rim isnt flat. The back of the stock rim is flat therefore the wheel goes all the way on and center on the hub and studs. The new wheels dont seem to be designed to go over a hub for alignment.

 

[Davea Lux]

He states they fit nice and flush to the drum.

what do you mean the bearing hub does not support the wheel. The only place the wheel touches the drum/hub is the flat part where the wheel studs are. The wheel doesn’t touch anyplace else on the hub.

On a stock wheel the machined part of the hub and the center hole in the wheel fit tightly together. In that way, the weight of the vehicle is off the studs and on the center hole of the wheel, that puts less strain on the studs especially if the vehicle is heavily loaded. Looking at the photo of the back side of the wheel above, some of the stud holes in the wheel are hollowed out to the point of failure. When the holes become oversized, the tapered part of the lug nut contacts the drum before they contact the wheel and the result is a wheel that is not anchored tightly and the holes will wear until the lugs eat a big enough hole in the wheel to pull free.

Dave

 

[74delta]

On a stock wheel the machined part of the hub and the center hole in the wheel fit tightly together. In that way, the weight of the vehicle is off the studs and on the center hole of the wheel, that puts less strain on the studs especially if the vehicle is heavily loaded. Looking at the photo of the back side of the wheel above, some of the stud holes in the wheel are hollowed out to the point of failure. When the holes become oversized, the tapered part of the lug nut contacts the drum before they contact the wheel and the result is a wheel that is not anchored tightly and the holes will wear until the lugs eat a big enough hole in the wheel to pull free.

Dave

I did think they looked a little bothered up so I got a set of new lugs with a larger cone to make better contact.

 

[413]

I’m aware what the center hole of the wheel does. Are you Aware that magnum 500 and road wheels do not contact the center register of the hub, they just mount with the lug nuts? Try putting one Of these wheels on a tire balancer and see what happens.

A Ford steel wheel has a smaller center hole than a mopar and you cannot put a ford steel wheel on a mopar hub, will not fit. Even though the bolt pattern is the same 5 on 4.5”

 

[Davea Lux]

I’m aware what the center hole of the wheel does. Are you Aware that magnum 500 and road wheels do not contact the center register of the hub, they just mount with the lug nuts? Try putting one Of these wheels on a tire balancer and see what happens.

A Ford steel wheel has a smaller center hole than a mopar and you cannot put a ford steel wheel on a mopar hub, will not fit. Even though the bolt pattern is the same 5 on 4.5”

Those wheels could not be put on anything but a bubble type balancer.

Dave

 

[74delta]

I’m aware what the center hole of the wheel does. Are you Aware that magnum 500 and road wheels do not contact the center register of the hub, they just mount with the lug nuts? Try putting one Of these wheels on a tire balancer and see what happens.

A Ford steel wheel has a smaller center hole than a mopar and you cannot put a ford steel wheel on a mopar hub, will not fit. Even though the bolt pattern is the same 5 on 4.5”

Ok so the wheels are lug centric not hub centric so I'm worrying about nothing?

 

[413]

Those wheels could not be put on anything but a bubble type balancer.

Dave

You think with all the aftermarket magnums sold they are all bubble balanced? Not a chance. Not many tire shops kept those bubble machines around.

There is a fixture that goes on a balancer spindle and the wheel bolts to that fixture with the lug nuts. Or you can us a small cone from the front side of the wheel and use the center hole where you mount the center cap.

Many aftermarket mags are like this also. Keystone, Appliance, maybe Crager 5 spokes.

 

[LocuMob]

Ok so the wheels are lug centric not hub centric so I'm worrying about nothing?

The center hole might be smaller, and not fit completely over the hub, I ran into this when I tried to mount rims off my parents Lincoln Town & Country wagon. Almost, but not quite.

 

[Wildaugust]

Whether these would help you with those wheels, I don't know. I had to buy some hub centric rings for some wheels that I bought. They make them in plastic and aluminum. I bought aluminum ones.