1969 Chrysler 300 - emissions equipment question

[saforwardlook]

This requirement to determine the emission certification for the car from the factory is new for California beginning in January, 2018. I personally think it is a half baked requirement and will probably be revised regarding older cars as more complaints roll in and the genius that is saving the world with the requirement might well figure out that cars built in 1975 and earlier can have anything the owner wants on them since they are not subject to smog check (it is not a rolling date either, like it used to be - for now and the future so far, it will be all vehicles 1975 and older are exempt). So it makes no sense to require this check for older vehicles - hopefully the Bureau of Automotive Repair that regulates smog check in this state will coordinate with the DMV and they will get this new requirement to only apply to vehicles newer than 1975.

 

[commando1]

they need a letter from Chrysler stating that the car was built to emissions standards of the day back in 1969

Here. NO CHARGE.

 

[MarPar]

(a trait of all Californians, right MarPar!).

Aww cmon, Steve.

 

[moper]

So the car was not produced for the US market (Canadian ordered/delivered)? That's probably where the problem is.

CT is expensive to live, but it's as far east as I can get from CA. No great weather is worth the misery of that state.

 

[MrMoparCHP]

My original California 1969 Polara had nothing but the PCV valve and an air cleaner with the hose connected to the oil cap/breather.
But the California cars had specific carbs and distributors, but outside that nothing.


Alan

 

[MrMoparCHP]

This requirement to determine the emission certification for the car from the factory is new for California beginning in January, 2018. I personally think it is a half baked requirement and will probably be revised regarding older cars as more complaints roll in and the genius that is saving the world with the requirement might well figure out that cars built in 1975 and earlier can have anything the owner wants on them since they are not subject to smog check (it is not a rolling date either, like it used to be - for now and the future so far, it will be all vehicles 1975 and older are exempt). So it makes no sense to require this check for older vehicles - hopefully the Bureau of Automotive Repair that regulates smog check in this state will coordinate with the DMV and they will get this new requirement to only apply to vehicles newer than 1975.

Early cars (1975 and older) are not exempt from being properly equipped and passing smog, only exempt from the biennially inspections.
So if your older car is blowing smoke you can be sent to have an inspection and it will need to pass the under hood inspection.


Alan

 

[Dan Scully]

Yes, you are correct...1975. Will next year be 1976? For some reason I thought as years go by, the exempt year goes up too. 2018/1975, 2019/1976, 2020/1977 etc.

For a brief time there was a rolling 30 year rule , once it was 30 years old it was exempt. As it stands now 75 and older are exempt from the smog inspection.

 

[Dan Scully]

This requirement to determine the emission certification for the car from the factory is new for California beginning in January, 2018. I personally think it is a half baked requirement and will probably be revised regarding older cars as more complaints roll in and the genius that is saving the world with the requirement might well figure out that cars built in 1975 and earlier can have anything the owner wants on them since they are not subject to smog check (it is not a rolling date either, like it used to be - for now and the future so far, it will be all vehicles 1975 and older are exempt). So it makes no sense to require this check for older vehicles - hopefully the Bureau of Automotive Repair that regulates smog check in this state will coordinate with the DMV and they will get this new requirement to only apply to vehicles newer than 1975.

Interesting sounds like another end run to try and get rid of the old stuff. Do you have a source for this info , would like to read the whole verbiage in the mandate.Thanks

 

[saforwardlook]

Early cars (1975 and older) are not exempt from being properly equipped and passing smog, only exempt from the biennially inspections.
So if your older car is blowing smoke you can be sent to have an inspection and it will need to pass the under hood inspection.


Alan

Practically speaking, unless you are running a real mess, the law won't be pulling you over for an emission violation.

 

[saforwardlook]

So the car was not produced for the US market (Canadian ordered/delivered)? That's probably where the problem is.

CT is expensive to live, but it's as far east as I can get from CA. No great weather is worth the misery of that state.

The lousy weather on the East coast and rusty cars isn't worth moving from this "awful" state. There is no other place in the world I would rather live. But hey, we don't need more people either. So enjoy CT

 

[moper]

Only two things I'd change in CT: Fairfield county would fall into the sea, and Gov Malloy be on the shore at the time.

 

[halifaxhops]

Try the hamtrack site Barry has a ton of build sheets he tries to get back to the cars.
The 1970 Hamtramck Registry Home Page

 

[GBsPanhead]

I lied, I do have an emission sticker on left fender well. Not sure if original, but here it is....

 

[saforwardlook]

There you go. Problem solved.

 

[MrMoparCHP]

There you go. Problem solved.

Not for the initial poster.


Alan

 

[shooter65]

I'll throw my two cents in.

My 69 Sport Fury was originally sold in Blythe, CA by Ellison Chrysler Plymouth, my scheduled production date is 5/23/69 and it was registered to the original owners, Albert C Romines and Verba Rowley Romines on June 12 1969, they resided in Blythe, CA so I believe my car was built to CA specs and originally sold to a CA dealer who ordered it for the original CA residents. These pictures are mostly before any work was done and I believe the car was mostly unmolested when I got it.

Gas Tank is a Two Vent Tank, I had electrical tape on the vents.

Mine doesn’t have the California label but it looks like it did at one time and it fell off.

Mine also has this label on the Driver front door jamb.

Engine shots

My car doesn’t show the N95 code in any of the documentation but I have the original temporary registration to prove the provenance of the car.

Broadcast sheet Decode
C Broadcast Copy: Station #-Belvedere A01 Light Package
007654 Sequence Number: Broadcast Print A04 Basic Group
523 Friday May 23, 1969 A35 Trailer Towing Package
Scheduled Production Date B41 Front Brakes: Disc
264475 Vehicle Order Number B51 Power Brakes
PH Car Line: PLYMOUTH Sport Fury C16 Console
23 Body Type: 2 Door Hardtop
L Engine: 440 1-4bbl 375hp V8 STD Head Rests: LH/RH AFTER 1/1/1969
9 Model Year: 1969 E-SERIES C55 Front Seat: Buckets
D Assembly Plant: Belvedere, IL
289850 Assembly Plant Sequential Number STD Carpets
STD Build to Spec's for: U.S.A. C92 Accessory Floor Mats
Y14 Order Type: Sold Car F11 Alternator: 50 Amp DUAL PULLEY
F25 Battery: HD 70 Amp RED CAP
E86 Engine: 440 1-4BBL 375hp V8 G11 Glass: All Tinted
D32 Transmission: A727 Torqueflite Auto. G24 Omit Vent Window
D53 Axle Ratio: 3.23 w/8.75" DIA. G33 Mirror: Outside LH Remote Chrome
G31 Mirror: Outside RH Manual Chrome
U32 Tires: 8.55x15" Whitewall H51 Heater: Front w/Air Conditioning
H Trim Grade: High
6 Front Seat: Vinyl Buckets J11 Glove Box Lock
X Interior: Black J15 Cigar Lighter
X9 Upper Door Frame Color: Black
V01 Paint Style: Mono-Tone J25 Wipers: 3-Speed w/Electric Washers
Y4 Roof Paint: Spanish Gold Metallic STD Dual Horns
Y4 Body Paint: Spanish Gold Metallic
V1W Roof Style: White Vinyl Roof J55 Undercoating w/Hood Pad
V6X Stripes: Body Side Sport-Black
28 B-Body Floor Shift Power Steering L06 Lamp: Dome/Reading
X9 Steering Column: Black L11 Light: Glove Box
18 T/Signal Lever: with N88 L15 Light: Ash Receiver
32 X9 Steering Wheel Type/Color: L25 Light: Cargo/Trunk
3-Spoke w/Partial Horn Ring/Black L31 Light: Fender Turn Indicator
2949037 Radiator Width: 26" MAX COOL L55 HD Stop Lamp Switch
Yoke L56 Variable Load T/S Flasher
2863257 Radiator Inlet Hose: 26" 383/440 L65 Light: Ign. Switch w/Time Delay
2863246 Radiator Outlet Hose: Std 383/440 L74 Headlamp Switch Light w/Timer
2863216 Engine Fan: 7-Blade 2½" Pitch M05 Mouldings: Door Edge
2863260 Fan Spacer: Thermal Drive M21 Mouldings: Drip Rail
2642969 Battery Amp/Series/Caps: 70/27/Red M25 Mouldings: Body Sill
1944092 Vac. Fitting: Intake 2-Way M26 Mouldings: Wheel Lip
919 Engine Assy.: 440 4bbl w/A.T. & A/C M31 Mouldings: Body Belt
2946592 Carb.: Carter AVS 4bbl #4640S M45 Wheelhouse Opening Skirt
2863845 Choke: Carter AVS 4bbl M43 Grille Trim Mouldings
2892093 Trans.: A727 Torqueflite M85 Bumper Guards: Ft+Rr
2538931 Speedo. Pinion Teeth/Color: 31/Green
2996195 Prop/Shaft: #7290/3.25" x 53.64" STD Dual Exhaust System
2931618 Axle Assy: 3.23:1 S/A 8.75"-10" Drums
23 Road Wheels: 15x6.0" HD Stamped N51 Max Cooling Pkg.
X9 Wheel Color: Black ALL 5
2881775 Wheel Cover: Sport w/Hub-15" N85 Tachometer
27 Frame: B-Body 383+440 V8 AUTO N88 Auto Speed Control
2462602 Ft. Sway Bar: .94" Diameter
2269579 Lt. Torsion Bar: .98" x 44" BROWN
2269578 Rt. Torsion Bar: .98" x 44" BROWN R11 Radio: Music Master AM
264 Lt. Rear Spring: Leaf R31 Rear Seat Speaker: Mono
264 Rt. Rear Spring: Leaf STD Antenna: Telescopic
2462114 Ft. Shocks: Std. Ride 1” YELLOW S13 Suspension: H.D. w/Ft. Sway Bar
3400686 Rr. Shocks: H.D. Ride
39 Front Brake: Power Disc S77 Power Steering
21 8 Clutch/Brake Pedal: B-Body,D32,B51,N88. S79 Horn Ring: Lower ½
2899842 Idle Label: 650RPM in Neut. 5º BTC
3400479 Tire Label: 8.25-15" MTS 4-Ply Rating W13 Wheel Covers: Sport
Car Height W27 Wheels: Trailer Towing Wheel
14 14:00PM Broadcast Print Hour REMARKS:
21 #21 Broadcast Print Seq/Hour

PH23: Plymouth Fury / High / 2 Door Hardtop
L9D: 440 375HP 1-4BBL 8 CYL / 1969 / Belvidere, IL, USA
289850: Sequence number
E86: 440 cid 4 barrel V8 (High Performance) 375hp
D32: Automatic Transmission
Y4: Gold Metallic Exterior Color [Spanish Gold Poly]
H6X: Trim - High, Vinyl Bucket Seats, Black
X9: Black Int. Door Frames
523: Build Date: May 23
264475: Order number
A01: Light Package
A04: Basic (Radio) Group
A35: H .D. Trailer Towing Package
B41: Front Disc Brakes w/Standard 10in RR Drum
C16: Console w/Wood grain Panel
C55: Bucket Seats
G11: Tinted Glass (all)
G31: OS RH Manual Standard Mirror
H51: Air Conditioning with Heater
L31: Hood/Fender Mounted Turn Signals
M25: Wide sill moldings
M31: Belt Moldings
M43: Grille Trim Moldings
M45: Fender Skirts
N88: Auto Speed Control
R11: Radio Solid State AM (2 Watts)
V1W: Full Vinyl Top (White)
Y11: Domestic Publications
26: 26in Radiator
END: End of Sales Codes

 

[jmustian]

Hello all,
I've run into a snag. The California DMV requires proof that my 1969 C300 complied with the required US emissions when it was manufactured. It wasn't specifically made for California, (I don't think there was any difference back then) so I don't know what else might have been required back then but it has the original everything (engine, trans etc) - the pcv valve and vented oil filler cap are there and working. I donlt see anything connected to the fuel tank vent line. Can somebody out there help me figure out what I need?
I've called Chrysler three times and each time they tried but didn't have a way to look up my vin#. I read about someone else's letter of compliance and the only information given was the vin number and that the vehicle met all U.S. federal safety and emission requirements...except labeling, in effect at the time it was manufactured. That was enough.

I brought the car to California a year ago and have been waiting for the permanent registration to come though. There's just this one request from the DMV and I'll be good to go. It seems the car has the Chrysler Cleaner Ar System and has the idle settings of timing etc. Anyone out there have a California car or who knows what I need to do? Many thanks!

Mine 69 has a certification tag inside the driver's door jamb near the top hinge. Not on the door but on the framing. I'll try to get a picture