1969 Imperial progress thread

[vdk2010]

Yeah, just regular 10% vinegar. It's not fast, but it's pretty gentle, which is a good thing. You don't want to remove as much as possible, you want to remove as little as necessary.

The main reason to use citric acid is to passivate stainless steel. For any metallurgists out there, I know passivation is the wrong technical term, but it's the common usage to describe stripping away the oxidation that forms on stainless over time and has converted to red rust. Once stainless converts to red rust, it will continue to rust (although a little slower than mild steel). You need to strip away the top layer of oxidation, and "re-set" it, so to speak. After treating with citric acid, you can polish easily. If you don't need to deal with stainless a lot, I'd say that it's not worth dealing with. Plain ol' vinegar will be a better first step.

Thanks Joaquin, that's a great description! I will start with 10% vinegar and a few tests with 70% Vinegar and the citric acid on a few little parts to see how it will work!

 

[vdk2010]

I started cleaning out the engine bay... Five full vacuum cleaner bag with dead rodents, nest building stuff, nuts, seeds etc etc etc. And there is much more...

Unbelievable how much stuff these ******* animals can collect in 30+ years of storage...

 

[vdk2010]

can anyone please name these parts?!

(1)


(2) there are two of these things, one above the other.


(3) wiper motor, right?


(4) cruise control?

 

[bajajoaquin]

Look like vacuum canisters to me. Were there any hoses attached? If so, did they go to the heater core? I think the Auto Temp ran on vacuum, so there were multiple reservoirs to provide power.

 

[vdk2010]

There are a lot of rubber tubes and lines. Not they were ALL disassembled when I got the car Oo

I will make photos of all lines I could find tomorrow.

 

[70NPORT]

I started cleaning out the engine bay... Five full vacuum cleaner bag with dead rodents, nest building stuff, nuts, seeds etc etc etc. And there is much more...

Unbelievable how much stuff these ******* animals can collect in 30+ years of storage...


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Yeeesh, that is dirty. It's gonna look so nice when you clean it up.

 

[goodneighbour]

Number 1 is the vacuum reservoir for the power trunk, number 2 are vacuum
reservoir`s for the auto-temp,one is for control vacuum and one is for the slave circut. You are correct on 3 and 4

 

[bluefury361]

Julian ....... You DID say you had a factory service manual .....?

 

[commando1]

Look like vacuum canisters to me. Were there any hoses attached? If so, did they go to the heater core? I think the Auto Temp ran on vacuum, so there were multiple reservoirs to provide power.

Oh oh. ATC II completely ravaged.
I'm outta here.

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[70bigblockdodge]

I think he has one his dad had it hardbound. I have to admit he has one hell of a story to tell his kids.

 

[patrick66]

The Auto-Temp used the same control valve as Mercedes did. That would be easier to find in Germany, i'd figure. Someone is making a new valve assembly that is supposed to be MUCH better than the factory unit, but I do not remember who?

 

[saforwardlook]

1969 Imperials had Auto Temp I, not II. Auto Temp II started with the 1971 models. As such, the remanufactured servos from Performance Analysis Company are for the Auto Temp II systems, and would not apply to Auto Temp I. Thus, folks with Auto Temp I systems are stuck with making them work somehow, either by repairing what they have or trying some other units from other cars so equipped if there are still any around. The water valve is still generally available, but not the control system hidden away in the passenger area behind the kick panel. I have one of these bastard Auto Temp I systems in my 69 Imperial coupe as well, and I have a couple control units I pulled from wrecking yard vehicles probably 20 years ago. Since my Imperial only has about 30K miles on it, maybe it will work. If I can not get it to work, I would likely just convert to a manual control system. I haven't had the car long enough to even get it running yet. It is a B9 dark metallic blue coupe with a matching blue vinyl top and white leather bucket seat interior.

 

[vdk2010]

Julian ....... You DID say you had a factory service manual .....?

I did and I have one! But if you don't have any clue what part this could be, it's hard to find :O

 

[vdk2010]

I think he has one his dad had it hardbound. I have to admit he has one hell of a story to tell his kids.

Correct! I love it but now I'm afraid of touching it with dirty fingers :/


This whole project is indeed a story I can tell my children and hopefully my grandchildren ;)

 

[vdk2010]

Oh oh. ATC II completely ravaged.
I'm outta here.

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The Auto-Temp used the same control valve as Mercedes did. That would be easier to find in Germany, i'd figure. Someone is making a new valve assembly that is supposed to be MUCH better than the factory unit, but I do not remember who?

1969 Imperials had Auto Temp I, not II. Auto Temp II started with the 1971 models. As such, the remanufactured servos from Performance Analysis Company are for the Auto Temp II systems, and would not apply to Auto Temp I. Thus, folks with Auto Temp I systems are stuck with making them work somehow, either by repairing what they have or trying some other units from other cars so equipped if there are still any around. The water valve is still generally available, but not the control system hidden away in the passenger area behind the kick panel. I have one of these bastard Auto Temp I systems in my 69 Imperial coupe as well, and I have a couple control units I pulled from wrecking yard vehicles probably 20 years ago. Since my Imperial only has about 30K miles on it, maybe it will work. If I can not get it to work, I would likely just convert to a manual control system. I haven't had the car long enough to even get it running yet. It is a B9 dark metallic blue coupe with a matching blue vinyl top and white leather bucket seat interior.

I've read about this mercedes valve. PAC offeres parts for the AutoTemp I as well.
http://www.perfanalysis.com/climate-control/acc-version-i/

But A/C is very far down on my list...

 

[saforwardlook]

I've read about this mercedes valve. PAC offeres parts for the AutoTemp I as well.
http://www.perfanalysis.com/climate-control/acc-version-i/

But A/C is very far down on my list...

I am unaware of any parts being supplied by PAC for Auto Temp I. Auto Temp II is comparable to PAC solution ACC1, not ACCII.

 

[vdk2010]

I am unaware of any parts being supplied by PAC for Auto Temp I. Auto Temp II is comparable to PAC solution ACC1, not ACCII.

Ok thanks. Good to know! I thought ACC1 is similar to Auto Temp I. I will check that when it's time to repair the A/C.

 

[70bigblockdodge]

Yes a working auto temp is useless without a running engine and working electric system, first things first

 

[bluefury361]

I haven't had the car long enough to even get it running yet. It is a B9 dark metallic blue coupe with a matching blue vinyl top and white leather bucket seat interior.

That sounds like a beautiful car. Have you posted pic's of it here .....? If so, I missed it ..... would love to see it.
My dad had a 69 LeBaron that was that dark blue, including the top and leather interior. I'd leave my A12 runner at home and borrow his Imperial for dates....

 

[commando1]

when it's time to repair the A/C.