1970 Monaco 37k mile orig. 440 -350hp highly optioned incl. Super Lite $10,500 near Phila, PA

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Your reply is unclear about reality hitting one in the face someday? You mean that people that buy emotionally and pay too much in your view, are going to be sorry, and will end up in bankruptcy or something (hit them in the face)?. Assuming this is indeed a low mileage Monaco, there are many things you would not have to repair driveline/accessory wise that will save you money over buying a lower priced, higher mileage example. Also, if paying $7500 is going to put one at risk financially instead of $3500, one probably shouldn't even be looking at old cars to buy. You say you don't get emotional about cars, but you must have some emotion regarding these cars, otherwise you would be better served to buy a newer, more reliable, more economical to operate vehicle. And like it or not, this is a world economy now and the prices that people overseas are willing to pay for one of these vehicles factors into the value. I believe some astute buyer overseas will buy this car and it will be a reasonable price. By the way, this site is probably the most accurate for estimating values of cars from my past experience, and this Monaco at $7500 fits well within its estimates:

Collector Car Prices, Muscle Car Prices at Collector Car Market Review

I really don't understand what your problem is? I have my way of valuing and buying a car and you have your way. You apparently don't approve of my way, not that I asked you, and I have never commented on your way. My way is no more open to debate than yours is.

Second, I never said it was $3500. That was someone else.

Third, I never said cheap bastard was used by you. That was someone else.

Fourth, I know of that website which is why I put the car at 3-. No way a 2. You have your opinion and I have mine.

Fifth, if it was such a good deal why was it dropped in price? Then after being dropped why was it not picked up immediately by someone here? Did that mean no one was interested? Did that mean others thought it wasn't quite worth that? Had to be something if it ends up going overseas doesn't it?

Last, the reality is not what you are thinking above at all. Although formal owners are in touch with it.
 
Last, the reality is not what you are thinking above at all. Although formal owners are in touch with it.
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Ummm. change that to "formal owners in fcbo"...
 
I really don't understand what your problem is? I have my way of valuing and buying a car and you have your way. You apparently don't approve of my way, not that I asked you, and I have never commented on your way. My way is no more open to debate than yours is.

All I was saying is that you buy cars cheap, which was the topic at hand and I explained that cheap to me meant your valuation was below the cited guide for this car. I am free to comment on your way of buying a car whether you asked me to or not, and likewise. Like Dave said earlier, maybe you need to have a thicker skin on the internet.

Second, I never said it was $3500. That was someone else.

I was being gracious since you were citing your buy of a 1967 Park Lane for $900 that you say is in excellent condition - is it also a 4 door? I really don't see what that citation has to do with valuation of this Monaco.

Third, I never said cheap bastard was used by you. That was someone else.

I never said you said I said it.

Fourth, I know of that website which is why I put the car at 3-. No way a 2. You have your opinion and I have mine.

If you look carefully at the site, a number 3 1970 Monaco 2 door is worth $5325 plus 25% for a 440 engine, which totals $6656 - and I gave it a little more because of the very low mileage, so that $7500 (the dropped price) is pretty close to what this car is worth, then, by your own admission. Which is why I am having trouble understanding your logic since I agree it is a number 3 car.

Fifth, if it was such a good deal why was it dropped in price? Then after being dropped why was it not picked up immediately by someone here? Did that mean no one was interested? Did that mean others thought it wasn't quite worth that? Had to be something if it ends up going overseas doesn't it?

Not really. I was commenting that the $7500 price was about right, not that it "is such a good deal" , and you were taking issue with my view that the car is priced right - which is why I was saying you were undervaluing the car. That value site takes recent real WORLD data and applies it in determining a car's value - the fact that the car is apparently going overseas says the car was worth somewhere close to the current asking price, which is what the guide estimated for a number 3 car. Folks in the U.S. middle class have little money since it is going to the top these days, not to the middle class. But whether it stays in the U.S. or goes overseas doesn't alter the price guide valuation or the car's worth.

Last, the reality is not what you are thinking above at all. Although formal owners are in touch with it.

I really dont understand what your problem is?
 
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Calm down people I am bying it. ;)
I think the price is fair ( hope there is not hidden things but the pics are quite clear ) and the most funny is that I will add 3.000$ to get it to France. And 2000 more for the repairs to get everything working and bench repaired.
But we wil all agree : I am not happy to pay so much shipping costs but I have no choice.

Choice was between the 67 4 speed plymouth or this monaco. I choose the monaco. If the plymouth still for sale in some months i'll buy it too for sure.

It is great to learn a lot of thing on a car thanks to you people that know it or saw it in the streets.
I admit that I do not understant the debate on the value of this car when I see the other 71 black monaco from another thread and erveryone seems to agree on it.
These type of cars are common to you, we have exactly the sames debates here in France about citroen CX for exemple, car that you can buy for 500$ ( I get some for free too ) and now danish people or swedish are buying them all because they are very fun car but no value here.
Some years ago I missed a 68 charger for 16.000$ and everyone told me at this time that it was too expensive, that it was not it's real value.. now good luck to find another. When I started to have Us cars, I missed a 8000€ Dodge coronet 70 because I thought it was too expensive.. good luck again to find another one too.
This monaco is worth the money, it has everything : coupe, BB 440, cool stuf ( superlite, AC, eletric things, dual exhaust, Suregrip ) the paint and body are nice, ready to drive.
 
Glad someone stepped up. Disappointed to know I will never see it in person.

Good car, well worth the coin...good for you!
 
Calm down people I am bying it. ;)
I think the price is fair ( hope there is not hidden things but the pics are quite clear ) and the most funny is that I will add 3.000$ to get it to France. And 2000 more for the repairs to get everything working and bench repaired.
But we wil all agree : I am not happy to pay so much shipping costs but I have no choice.
Congratulations! How much for taxes? Here in Finland we need to pay 24% VAT based on CIF -price,
 
Glad someone stepped up. Disappointed to know I will never see it in person.

Good car, well worth the coin...good for you!

I used to feel that way, but then I started realizing that when I sell cars in the U.S., I usually never even see a photo of the car again. With the cars I have sold overseas, I usually see some photos of the work on the cars as it progresses and it is encouraging to see some nice cars going to owners that really love them and are giving them the attention they deserve. And worldwide interest in these cars helps keep their value up, which encourages people to invest in them.
 
Congratulations! How much for taxes? Here in Finland we need to pay 24% VAT based on CIF -price,

Oh it is quite simple, I did it a month ago, so I have updated prices. I will pay :
- 1195 $ for container to France
- inland transport to port in NY ( phili is quite close it will not be too expensive but I think 200/300$
- in france out of container ( and other fake stuf we have to pay for nothing ) 500€
- harbour fees and scan ( never done but always paid.. ) : 100€
+ Taxes :
In France classic car are collectors objets and Arts object so we have a reduced TVA from 20% to 5.5% based on the price of the car + shipping ( what a steal ! ) but the car has to be original, not modified and we have to certify that this is a piece of history and a rare car. at 5.5% around 500€.

= around 2600€ if it goes well.
 
All I was saying is that you buy cars cheap, which was the topic at hand and I explained that cheap to me meant your valuation was below the cited guide for this car. I am free to comment on your way of buying a car whether you asked me to or not, and likewise. Like Dave said earlier, maybe you need to have a thicker skin on the internet.

If you look carefully at the site, a number 3 1970 Monaco 2 door is worth $5325 plus 25% for a 440 engine, which totals $6656 - and I gave it a little more because of the very low mileage, so that $7500 (the dropped price) is pretty close to what this car is worth, then, by your own admission. Which is why I am having trouble understanding your logic since I agree it is a number 3 car.

I too use that site which collects "world class" data but not data from the world and that was exactly my valuation minus at least $1500 for rust repair. I didn't give extra for the mileage since I haven't gone over the car personally. Low mileage doesn't entitle a car to an automatic bump in value. Bottom line you over estimate and I under estimate. I rather be in my position when discussing price. I can always come up.

As far as the Park Lane analogy that is so very simple. A grade 3 car is $5100 while the actual street price would be $1500 if one were lucky. Reason being for this large car is a declining market base that is declining every year from now on and one day will be nonexistent. That means the guide can't know everything. If it weren't for a small overseas market then that car would have been languishing for awhile as we both know. So I'll get stuck with mine or rather my wife will if something happens to me.
 
To 70Monaco440 who sold her... I wished you luck and bit my tongue... you didn't need my input. If your a Mopar guy... stick around... we will even forgive the law degree. You have not seen all of our best, as a seller you probably aren't supposed to.

For those that wondered why nobody bought... it went through at $6500 a few months before as a CL ad... would have sold then if we were players.

To Xavi3r... A special thought... Why don't you consider storing it for a few months and join the C bodies at Carlisle? Philly is in the same state and would make for a very cool "USA delivery" experience. If this has any appeal, I know many here would be willing to help you plan your trip and you could deliver to NY for shipping yourself to offset some of your costs. Many of the guys who really like the car will be there and you would be very welcomed by all. Perhaps you and the seller work something out, maybe he will be going too.
 
As far as the Park Lane analogy that is so very simple. A grade 3 car is $5100 while the actual street price would be $1500 if one were lucky. Reason being for this large car is a declining market base that is declining every year from now on and one day will be nonexistent. That means the guide can't know everything. If it weren't for a small overseas market then that car would have been languishing for awhile as we both know. So I'll get stuck with mine or rather my wife will if something happens to me.

Maybe I do not understand but I do not agree. Times goes on and cars are more and more rare. especially valuable like this one. Here in France and more in Belgium ( were Us cars were dailys ) you can see the change with wagons. Now there are kept and collected instead of 10 years ago when were all went to cruchers. This will ever be asmall market but the tension is gowing every year since cars get destroyed or not restored.
A good car, well maintened and in good shape will always find a buyer a good price. the value does not goes down as the times passes.
 
To Xavi3r... A special thought... Why don't you consider storing it for a few months and join the C bodies at Carlisle? Philly is in the same state and would make for a very cool "USA delivery" experience. If this has any appeal, I know many here would be willing to help you plan your trip and you could deliver to NY for shipping yourself to offset some of your costs. Many of the guys who really like the car will be there and you would be very welcomed by all. Perhaps you and the seller work something out, maybe he will be going too.

Ho I am not that rich ! ahah. Brian can keep it for 1 month timeto arrange everything but I can't wait any longer too. I can't come to USA for now it is too expensive for me ( and yes I buy cars !! ) but I may come soon. I am planning it.
I will just ask to a truck trailer to take the car. I am sure that I will be welcome but I can't go on a trip right now too, my baby is born on the 8 of this month so I have to be here. ;)
 
To 70Monaco440 who sold her... I wished you luck and bit my tongue... you didn't need my input. If your a Mopar guy... stick around... we will even forgive the law degree. You have not seen all of our best, as a seller you probably aren't supposed to.

For those that wondered why nobody bought... it went through at $6500 a few months before as a CL ad... would have sold then if we were players.

To Xavi3r... A special thought... Why don't you consider storing it for a few months and join the C bodies at Carlisle? Philly is in the same state and would make for a very cool "USA delivery" experience. If this has any appeal, I know many here would be willing to help you plan your trip and you could deliver to NY for shipping yourself to offset some of your costs. Many of the guys who really like the car will be there and you would be very welcomed by all. Perhaps you and the seller work something out, maybe he will be going too.
thanks! yes, a Mopar guy (still have the 65 form. S cuda/restomod/340 6-pak/4 spd. I did in the 90's), was actually scanning the ads for a 340 a-body car when I spotted this. I was painting in someone's house when I learned of this car, told the homeowner I "had to go," did some quick research on rarity, saw it, drove it, then bought it. seller helped me get it home then I treated him to a philly cheesesteak (if you've never had one, they're awesome) It's a real cool car, but I want another 340 a-body or Turbo Buick (forgive me they're very fun) as I regret selling mine, especially to my bro-in-law (never do that!!).

No problem storing the car for you for a month or so, Xavier, especially since there's 2 FEET OF SNOW out there, basically stranding the car in the garage out back. I'll need a week just make a path.

thanks for forgiving the attorney hat, we get a bad rap sometimes, and while I keep my licenses active, I also moonlight as a handyman/painter.
 
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