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1971 N-code Factory Sunroof Newport
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Concur, a really beautiful combination!
Probably my favorite color combo for 71s. Congrats!
In looking at the build sheet for this car very recently, after Scott at the Mopar Sunroof Registry (Sunroof Cars) pointed out that according to the Build Sheet, this car was built as an export car
(upper right corner of build sheet under Y (U-C-I)) heading there is an I, suggesting a YI code (export vehicle). Also it appears this was a dealer demonstrator vehicle based on the Y13 code.
Since there is nothing on the car to suggest an export vehicle and so far as I have been able to dig into the previous two owners of the car, no indication that this was ever an export car.
So I was wondering whether anyone more into the codes on this forum has any comments on this seeming anomaly?
For example, in 1971 would a Canadian vehicle have been coded an export vehicle (since this vehicle resided in Wisconsin, very near Canada) could this explain the YI code?
Since there is nothing on the car to suggest an export vehicle and so far as I have been able to dig into the previous two owners of the car, no indication that this was ever an export car.
So I was wondering whether anyone more into the codes on this forum has any comments on this seeming anomaly?
For example, in 1971 would a Canadian vehicle have been coded an export vehicle (since this vehicle resided in Wisconsin, very near Canada) could this explain the YI code?
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69CoronetRT
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Given that:
each plant handled things differently and
the sample size for 71 Jefferson is, probably, pretty small when it comes to special coding and
things do not always seem to decode as simply and easily as we we'd like them...
We also have to look at the VON. In this case, the VON starts with G not an E as we'd expect to find for an export vehicle. While the B (Canada) and E (Export) prefixes generally trump all other specialty VON coding, examples exist of non US sold cars with a VON other than B or E.
G VONs are found on non Export car and non Y13 cars so the VON in this case may or may not help determine if the car was destined fort Export. My gut feel is that it doesn't leading us back to why there is no E VON if the car was supposed to be an Export car.
Examples of 71 Jefferson indicating I in the box AND no specialty VON code nor E for export exist. (see attached)
leading me to believe we do not have enough sample size of 71 Jefferson cars to make a determination of the car in question was or was not destined for Export.
My two cents...your milage may vary.
And yet another reason why it is so important to save broadcast sheets, window stickers and other documents when we can.
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69CoronetRT
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Generally no but one could probably find an example of an Export car being delivered in Canada just like you can find Export cars actually sold and delivered in the US.
You’ve probably covered this but were there dealer ordered cars that weren’t coded as ordered cars?
Canadian cars were coded "C" so its not a Canadian car. The G VON for the sunroof trumps everything else. Usually an "I" order is from a serviceman ordering the car overseas but that wouldn't be a Y13 car. What's the "5" on the X export codes on the bottom? I can't read it.
69CoronetRT
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X55 radiator air shield.
69CoronetRT
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I'm not sure if you've seen this one or not. I wish he would not have blocked the U-C-I codes.
M51 with M VON
69CoronetRT
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Again, from post #86: things do not always seem to decode as simply and easily as we we'd like them...
I would LOVE to see the guide book on what codes took priority over others. Given that probably won't happen, we need to reverse engineer what we do have and quite often, the sample sizes of what we do have are just too small to make valid determination on certain things.
Please, please, please....save fender tags, sheets, window stickers and other documents. They all help and they are vital to topics just like this one.
This FQ5 sunroof Newport is the only one that @saforwardlook and I know to exist, making things even more difficult. Note that the U code for USA-market cars is missing from the fender tag of CE23N1C107019 -- which is part of what brought about this line of questions.
69CoronetRT
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That's simply a plant nuance.
71 Jefferson didn't stamp U-C-I codes on a tag so you should NOT expect to find coding on the tag.
Imperial Pete
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Funny enough I had the same thoughts with my 71 Imperial Factory Sunroof car. It also has an "I" for export but shows no evidence of being exported. Usually the export cars have the "Made for Export" decal on the Drivers Door jam. Steve saforwardlook knows my car well. Also has the California Emissions decal on the LH Rear Window (further evidence of not being for export?). Mine also has the Y37: External Supplier Sunroof option and Y14 Sold Car.
So far (from the build sheets we have here)
it looks like all of the sunroof cars had an "I" for export
So far (from the build sheets we have here)
69CoronetRT
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That car also does not have a G VON....
69CoronetRT
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It's the letter "I". The only options in that box are the letters U, C or I.
The Y codes start in the next box to the right. The shading on the sheet helps us know when the letter code sections start.
Yes, Peter, I have another sunroof car that also does not have a G VON either and from what I learned from Scott at the Registry is that some had the G VON and some did not and that is why having the build sheet is important to prove that it was factory produced originally. Since you do have the build sheet, you are good.
I am wondering now whether the export "I" symbol might have been used to signify the sunroof cars had to be shipped separately to the American Sunroof Company in order to get the sunroof installed and then shipped back to the assembly plant for final processing? Maybe using the I code in that spot on the build sheet was their only option to send the car to ASC so they used the "export" code to signify "special handling"?
It is also my understanding that a special sunroof installation operation was in later years carried out in a section of the assembly plant rather than having to send the car to ASC and back to the plant, so it would be interesting to see if on a 1972 or later car whether there is an "I" on any of those build sheets in the upper right hand box. If there was nothing in that spot that might help verify that this theory is valid.
Also, since sunroof cars were introduced to pretty much "take the place" of the discontinued convertibles after the 1970 model year, the plant was just getting started in working through these procedures to accomodate the special handling in 1971 at least.
Just some possible thoughts..........
and this just reaffirms the @69CoronetRT point about keeping records of our build sheets for questions like these.
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in 1978 ASC was still doing the sunroof installations
heres the inspection form for my 78 Salon when it arrived at ASC for its sunroof and Salon specific vinyl top and rear window plug ( as used on the 74-75 Imperials)
heres the inspection form for my 78 Salon when it arrived at ASC for its sunroof and Salon specific vinyl top and rear window plug ( as used on the 74-75 Imperials)
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