1972 Fury III 360 101498 miles

[LocuMob]

What shocks are on the car now, and in the pictures?

 

[1970FuryConv]

To be fair, I don’t think any of the shocks I’ve put on the rear of my C Bodies have extended to full droop.

I agree, but too short to install a tire is a different thing.
1972 Fury Rear Shock Update. Before reading this, remember Rock Auto's computer program rejected my return, even though I stated that KYB KG5512 were too short for me to install one of my tires. I then wrote service@rockauto.com. Now look at how actual humans react. Difference is Hilarious, and glad Rock Auto did the right thing.
5-31-19 Rock Auto reply
RockAuto Customer Service

8:36 AM (14 hours ago)

to me

Dear Mr. M,

We checked the KYB online listing and did not see this part number listed to any version of the 1972 Fury. So it does appear that the KYB data we relied upon is in error. In light of that, we will have you return these shocks for a full refund, including the associated shipping charges.

You can view and print your return instructions through our Order Status & Returns page. You will find a prepaid shipping label at the bottom of the return instructions. We will issue the refund back to your original payment method within 3 business days after tracking information shows our warehouse has received your return. We will email you when the refund is issued.

You can also view the status of your refund(s) using our Order Status & Returns page.

For further information, please see our Help pages or click the link(s) below:
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Thank you,
Ralph
RockAuto Customer Service
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Ben M

8:39 PM (2 hours ago)

to RockAuto

Thank you, Ralph

In light of your research, do you think the KG5413 is the right shock for my car? At 24.4" extended, it still seems a little short. If not, what part# do you recommend?

Thanks, Ben M

RockAuto Customer Service

to me


Dear Mr. M ,

The error with the listing was due to information provided by KYB. With that in mind, I would, at least for this specific application, steer clear of KYB. Besides them however, all the information we have should be accurate.

To double check that a part will fit your vehicle, first locate the part by selecting your vehicle's year, make, model, and engine size in our catalog. Then, please read the part description associated with the part. As long as the details noted in the part description match your vehicle, the part will fit. (Samual made sentence bold)

If you need further assistance, please see our Help page or click the links below:

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Understanding Descriptions
Does "left" mean "driver's side" or "passenger's side"?

If you find that you've ordered incorrectly you can request a cancellation or a return through our Order Status & Returns page.

Thank you,

Samual


Ben M

8:46 PM (2 hours ago)

to RockAuto


Ok, Samual

I'll return the KYB and look at getting something else. I agree I need to take some measurements first.

 

[1970FuryConv]

What shocks are on the car now, and in the pictures?

KYB KG5512, 22.6" extended length
Had to disconnect from lower shock mount to be able to install RS rim/tire. LS I was barely able to install with shock fully installed.
Once installed, ride height and performance are fine. But, if I have a flat rear RS tire, it's going to be a ***** to remove the shock from it's lower mount before changing the tire. Sad, but these shocks have to go.

 

[1970FuryConv]

What shocks are on the car now, and in the pictures?

Hi Scott. Spring Travel: with KYB KG 5512, installed rear tire is 5 ½ inches above garage floor. With shock removed, rear tire is 2 ¾ inch above garage floor. Loss of that 2.75 inch of spring drop is what did not allow me to install my tire on the right side.

KYB KG5512 is 22.64” fully extended, measured center upper bushing to center lower bushing. To take full advantage of spring drop and install largest tire possible, need shock with at least 25.39” fully extended length. With KG5512, I could not install my 15x7 rim and 215-75R15 tire. 25.39" also eliminates KYB KG5413, 24.4" extended

KG5512 Installed

KG5512 Removed

Installed, lower bushing getting crushed by leaf spring

Removed, still fully extended

KG5512 is just wrong for our cars

 

[LocuMob]

Do all '72 cars have the isolator around the leaf pack? That's the shock that works on my '66's, but I don't have anything but axle pad on spring, so the shock mount is higher than yours. Can you cross reference a stock shock number to a KYB part number?

 

[1970FuryConv]

Do all '72 cars have the isolator around the leaf pack? That's the shock that works on my '66's, but I don't have anything but axle pad on spring, so the shock mount is higher than yours. Can you cross reference a stock shock number to a KYB part number?

Hi Scott, Isolator: FSM 17-5, below shows it for Plymouth, Chrysler, Imperial. Dodge?

· Not sure if I can cross a stock number. Anthony M, a FB friend, says the correct Monroe number, now out of production is 20706. Monroe 20706: $40 NOS pair on ebay with free ship, purchased. 26.25” extended, 15.63” compressed. Perfect, given I need at least 25.39" extended length.

6-3-19 Test Drive

· 67-mile round trip to my office and back home.

· 8.75-inch axle performed admirably. No noise, no runs, no drips, no errors (nod to Johnny Bench). The ride over bumps left a lot to be desired, since the car has no rear shock absorbers at this point, but I will rectify that is soon as I have the Monroe 20706 shocks in hand and install them.
At work

This is what I like. Pulling into gas station. 72 Fury never fails to get interest or a compliment. I think our cars would be hugely popular if people just saw more of them. And the women at work are the ones who compliment the 72 Fury. They love it. If only I had known when I young and single, I could have driven a golden chick magnet.

 

[1970FuryConv]

Do all '72 cars have the isolator around the leaf pack? That's the shock that works on my '66's, but I don't have anything but axle pad on spring, so the shock mount is higher than yours. Can you cross reference a stock shock number to a KYB part number?

So the KYB 5512 works on your 66 cars?

 

[LocuMob]

So the KYB 5512 works on your 66 cars?

I'm pretty sure that's what I installed. They work great on the gray car, the Polara 500 still needs new springs, but after that I don't see why they wouldn't work. Your shock mount is lower with those isolators, so I can see why they wouldn't fit.

 

[73Coupe]

......They love it. If only I had known when I young and single, I could have driven a golden chick magnet.

Chicks will be attracted to anything that's gold. I would advise the young men these days to keep the "bling" for themselves, and out of the spotlight, otherwise they'll just end up with a gold digger....

 

[Factorial]

Which C body gets the most chicks?

Chicks will be attracted to anything that's gold. I would advise the young men these days to keep the "bling" for themselves, and out of the spotlight, otherwise they'll just end up with a gold digger....

Which C body variant brings in the most chicks?

 

[1970FuryConv]

Chicks will be attracted to anything that's gold. I would advise the young men these days to keep the "bling" for themselves, and out of the spotlight, otherwise they'll just end up with a gold digger....

LOL. If I could have had a few gold diggers in that long Fury back seat, I would have been a happy young man

Which C body gets the most chicks?
Which C body variant brings in the most chicks?

I owned 1969 Monaco, 2 1973 New Yorkers, 1973 Monaco. Chicks never even commented. 1972 Fury has gotten many compliments. You know which car gets my vote.

 

[1970FuryConv]

6-8-19 Monroe 20706. Rear Shocks, Made in USA

· Jackstands under subframe forward of tire.

· Upper Mounts: left side, 19 mm short socket, ½ breaker bar on nut. Bolt head forward, ¾ short socket, ½ straight ratchet, ½ TW@70’lbs. Right side is same except used a 3-inch extension between the socket and the ratchet on the bolt head, due to interference from over-axle exhaust mount.

· Lower Mounts: cut shock strap. Shock accommodates full spring travel. Push shock lower bushing onto lower mount as shock expands. Install nut and rear washer, ¾ short socket, ½ straight ratchet, ½ TW@50’lbs.

· Test Drive: ride not as firm as KYB, but gives good support, and normal ride height.

 

[LocuMob]

Kind of sad that people have to turn into detectives to find the correct part for their car, because of inaccurate catalog listings.

Not as firm? More floaty feeling? I'm trying to find a shock that will make it so Laura can actually ride in a car of mine!

 

[1970FuryConv]

Kind of sad that people have to turn into detectives to find the correct part for their car, because of inaccurate catalog listings.

Not as firm? More floaty feeling? I'm trying to find a shock that will make it so Laura can actually ride in a car of mine!

Hi Scott, definitely a softer ride, but the shock still does it's job. You don't bounce up and down like the spring is unrestrained. Feels like car moves thru more of it's spring travel, because the shock isn't as firm. Floaty or cushioned might be the word. Feels like more of a luxury car shock. KYB is more stiff, like a sports car shock.

 

[LocuMob]

Hi Scott, definitely a softer ride, but the shock still does it's job. You don't bounce up and down like the spring is unrestrained. Feels like car moves thru more of it's spring travel, because the shock isn't as firm. Floaty or cushioned might be the word. Feels like more of a luxury car shock. KYB is more stiff, like a sports car shock.

Good to know if I need a softer shock.

 

[65sporty]

Great to hear your project turned out good, the axle and springs look great. You mentioned the time it took to do the swap, when I am at home and working on a project I don't watch the time.
Now at work is a different story, I try to do the job as fast as possible with out any errors that would result in a comeback. I hate having to do things over. I was working on a VW Friday and it was eating my lunch. Come to find out it was my own fault. The thermostat only goes in the housing 1 way, if it goes in wrong the o-ring will leak, imagine that if you do it wrong it doesn't seal. LOL

 

[1970FuryConv]

Great to hear your project turned out good, the axle and springs look great. You mentioned the time it took to do the swap, when I am at home and working on a project I don't watch the time.
Now at work is a different story, I try to do the job as fast as possible with out any errors that would result in a comeback. I hate having to do things over. I was working on a VW Friday and it was eating my lunch. Come to find out it was my own fault. The thermostat only goes in the housing 1 way, if it goes in wrong the o-ring will leak, imagine that if you do it wrong it doesn't seal. LOL

Hi 65Sporty
I'm a clock watcher, but I do not sacrifice quality in favor of quickness. I just think: Damn! This is taking forever. Then I keep on going.
I had three 3.5 Intrepids and one 3.2 Concorde. 2 of them were 2nd gen and had the most ridiculous thermostat placement I have ever seen, buried above the oil filter Aftermarket thermostats often didn't work. I had a friend tell me they would work if I faced them in the opposite direction of OEM. I just stuck with OEM. Thank goodness I just junked the last LH car. Much sympathy on the VW. Ben

 

[65sporty]

Hi 65Sporty
I'm a clock watcher, but I do not sacrifice quality in favor of quickness. I just think: Damn! This is taking forever. Then I keep on going.
I had three 3.5 Intrepids and one 3.2 Concorde. 2 of them were 2nd gen and had the most ridiculous thermostat placement I have ever seen, buried above the oil filter Aftermarket thermostats often didn't work. I had a friend tell me they would work if I faced them in the opposite direction of OEM. I just stuck with OEM. Thank goodness I just junked the last LH car. Much sympathy on the VW. Ben

I have worked on quite a few 3.5's, but I don't ever remember having to change a thermostat in one. Plenty of timing belts and water pumps, good engine overall.
I got the VW out the door today, when I checked with the dealer on a thermostat, the parts dept tells me they never sell just the thermostat they always put on the whole water pump assy with the thermostat inside.

Looks like this one

The neck with the 2 bolts in the lower left of the pick was causing all the trouble, new pump assy and the trouble is gone.

 

[1970FuryConv]

I have worked on quite a few 3.5's, but I don't ever remember having to change a thermostat in one. Plenty of timing belts and water pumps, good engine overall.

3.5 is good engine. I did timing belt/water pump on mine every 100K miles. Always used new water pump.
1st gen 3.5 1993-1997, thermostat is located on top of engine, easy accessible. Battery also located front corner of engine compartment, on top, easily accessible
2nd gen 1998-2004. Thermostat and battery buried. Extreme PITA to change either. Mercedes bought Chrysler in 1998, so can't pin this on Mercedes. Just Chrysler being greedy. Thank you Robert Eaton and Bob Lutz. Never forget the first time I needed to change headlight bulb on 2000 Concorde. Had to loosen that side of front fascia, just to install a headlight.
I guess the justice is that Chrysler was cheap and OEM AC Evaporators were junk. They paid the price with hundreds of thousands of warranty replacements. Walter probably turned over in his grave. Hope they learned their lesson. I can say that my wife's 2011 3.7 Dodge Nitro is fairly easy to work on.

 

[73Coupe]

This song came on this evening, reminded me of this goldtone Fury...