Borgeson Big Block Power Steering Kit Question??

[SixFour880]

Hello all, wondering if anyone is running one of these Borgeson Big Block Mopar Pump Kits? Part number (800338)
On their site. My pump (on my 64 Dodge 880) has a god awful wobble at the pulley and upon a little further investigation has a good amount of play in the pulley. It squeals the belt at higher RPM. The alignment is all good but when it’s running Ray Charles himself could see the wobble.. finding a rebuilt pump has been a chore to say the least and the ones I do find have a hefty price tag so I’m debating switching to one of these. My question is how well do they work and will i possibly be able to use the same lines already in the car?

Thank you in advance!

 

[bigmoparjeff]

You'll definitely need a different pressure line.

That pump may be set up to work with the Borgeson power steering box, so it's possible that the relief pressure could be set different than factory.


I just happened to watch this video a couple days ago and it shows the Borgeson pump around the 11 minute mark, with some comments on it.




Jeff

 

[SixFour880]

You'll definitely need a different pressure line.

That pump may be set up to work with the Borgeson power steering box, so it's possible that the relief pressure could be set different than factory.


I just happened to watch this video a couple days ago and it shows the Borgeson pump around the 11 minute mark, with some comments on it.




Jeff

Thank you, I keep looking to try and find more answers also. I’m brand new to the mopar world in general so I’ve been doing a lot of forum diving on here lately

 

[CBODY67]

The picture of the Saginaw pump and brackets can also be had from Mancini, too. They have a conversion kit to put the Saginaw pump in place of the OEM, round reservoir pumps Chrysler used back then.

Chrysler started to use the Saginaw pumps OEM in 1969 or so. GM used the same pump on everything back then. As it was a GM item, I suspected its use was a cost-cutting effort, to me.

It was interesting that in many road tests of the then-new Fuselage cars of 1969, that suddenly a new term popped up, as to power steering performance in the slalom courses the magaaine testers negotiated as a part of their activities. It was "pump catch", where the pump does not have the apparent capacity to maintain full power boost under difficult maneuvers which can tax the pump. This, combined with the apparent slippery Goodyear tires the cars came with, resulted in less than stellar performances of those cars in those events. Not the prior stellar performances C-bodies usually gave, by observation. In normal driving, nobody ever knew the difference, though.

Chrysler did seem to use larger diameter pulleys than GM did, so that might have been part of the problem?

To its credit, the Saginaw pump has been a very reliable and long-lived product since the late 1960s. Flawless performance with a huge number of applications over the decades. Just keep their systems full of genuine Power Steering Fluid, not ATF.

Check out the Mancini Racing website catalog and see what you think.\

CBODY67

 

[SixFour880]

The picture of the Saginaw pump and brackets can also be had from Mancini, too. They have a conversion kit to put the Saginaw pump in place of the OEM, round reservoir pumps Chrysler used back then.

Chrysler started to use the Saginaw pumps OEM in 1969 or so. GM used the same pump on everything back then. As it was a GM item, I suspected its use was a cost-cutting effort, to me.

It was interesting that in many road tests of the then-new Fuselage cars of 1969, that suddenly a new term popped up, as to power steering performance in the slalom courses the magaaine testers negotiated as a part of their activities. It was "pump catch", where the pump does not have the apparent capacity to maintain full power boost under difficult maneuvers which can tax the pump. This, combined with the apparent slippery Goodyear tires the cars came with, resulted in less than stellar performances of those cars in those events. Not the prior stellar performances C-bodies usually gave, by observation. In normal driving, nobody ever knew the difference, though.

Chrysler did seem to use larger diameter pulleys than GM did, so that might have been part of the problem?

To its credit, the Saginaw pump has been a very reliable and long-lived product since the late 1960s. Flawless performance with a huge number of applications over the decades. Just keep their systems full of genuine Power Steering Fluid, not ATF.

Check out the Mancini Racing website catalog and see what you think.\

CBODY67

Will do!

 

[SixFour880]

It’s been a little bit, but I took the chance and bought the pump upgrade kit after going back and forth with the Tech department at Borgeson to confirm it indeed would work without running their steering gear box and retaining what I have on the car already. all in all it went in pretty simple. I did have to make a few modifications along the way. I was able to retain my existing pressure line as well as return line. I had to couple the return line with a 5/8” to 3/8” barb and shim the pump itself back slightly from the mount to achieve proper pulley alignment. Runs good, no more wobble, leaks or squeals.

Here are some photos of the install.

 

[SixFour880]