Distributor shaft side play

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Please see video below. I don’t know what the specs are but it seems like this is probably too much play and I will just end up destroying another reluctor wheel and pick up if I don’t replace the bushing. Let me know please, thanks.

 
Specs for the side play are in the FSM distributor specs section.

The bushing wear was caused by the spring tension in the points keeping the rubbing block in contact with the points breaker cam. Might buy a reman '72 factory electronic ign distributor and swap your electronics into it. Keep your original dist, though.

Just some thoughts,
CBODY67
 
Specs for the side play are in the FSM distributor specs section.

The bushing wear was caused by the spring tension in the points keeping the rubbing block in contact with the points breaker cam. Might buy a reman '72 factory electronic ign distributor and swap your electronics into it. Keep your original dist, though.

Just some thoughts,
CBODY67
I’ll check the specs in the FSM but this is the Rick E distributor I bought two years ago. It only has about 2000 miles on it.
 
Way too much play.

I’ll check the specs in the FSM but this is the Rick E distributor I bought two years ago. It only has about 2000 miles on it.

.006" side play. That's more like .020".
 
Way too much play.



.006" side play. That's more like .020".
Yes. I checked FSM, and .006" is correct. I measured with feelers and I came up with .016" of side play. Trash, in other words. I don't think I want to rebuild this distributor, as who knows what else might be lurking below . . . I'll check with @halifaxhops and see what he can do for a rebuild OEM unit. Thanks all!
 
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THANK you for this cautionary posting. While I don't run anything but genuine Mopar distributors in Gertrude, my D150 /6 has a Rick-O distributor in it. He means relatively well I reckon, but, CHINESE METALLURGY STINKS OF **** ACROSS THE PERIODIC TABLE!!! "Quantity becomes a quality all its own."-- V.I. Lenin* and in the case of sino-metal that quality is ****! Neither the aluminum body or the bronze bushings therein can be trusted. I'll get a good Mopar dizzie for Wilhelm the Truck ASAP.
 
Probably about 15 years ago, there was a gentleman speaking on an NPR program about "Chinese engineers". University-trained Chinese engineers.

He noted that these people were certainly intelligent, resourceful, and could be innovative, BUT their level of university training was not to the level of what a USA university training would involve. I found that interesting! As if what the USA university engineering students receive is a more robust education, by comparison.

A few years ago, I was at a used car lot with a wholesale customer, taking him a Hyundai part. This lot never had any foreign-brand cars on it. I carefully asked how those cars were holding up. He thought and replied "They don't seem to have the 'stamina' an American car has."

You can take that comment to have MANY meanings! Perhaps they just copied the USA-brand orientation of making it just good enough to get out of warranty before having problems (which used to be a somewhat common comment in the USA)? Just like an observation I made back in the earlier 1970s, about some GM parts which had failed, "If they'd have spent another dime to get a better part, it would not have failed so soon." At the individual level, that amount would have been inconsequential, but at the level of GM (or other OEMs), that mere dime would be millions of dollars each year.

Perhaps the "saving grace" of USA-brand car parts has been their robustness of design? Which made a similar part from a foreign country OEM look "dinky" by comparison.

ALL off-shore products made for USA use are produced to "a spec". The buyer KNOWS what they are getting and paying for. So their selling price point and profits are ensured. Which means the level of "good enough" is not a universal orientation, but variable as to the brand buying the product from the Chinese company producing it. Just as there were USA brands, in the 1960s, which each fit the old criteria of "good", "better", and "best". What might be "good" for one customer, could be "great" or "junk" for another user, by observation. Generally, car repair people knew what was what, as they got to see what failed and how soon.

At the consumer level, one brand of tire can be acknowledged to be "the best" for many customers. Yet if that tire is put on a car that is only driven to the grocery store, church, and beauty salon, for about 4000miles/year, that 80k mile durability rating will mean the tire will age0out of usefulness with lots of tread left on it. Yet a lesser brand, will be worn out by the time the tire ages out of life. Still a good quality tire that can be a better fit for the intended use.

I am for USA-made parts and such, BUT if I perceive another part is just as good, I'm looking at the total picture, not just "country of origin" specifically. In the hierarchy of "good, better, and best" for MY uses. Which might not be YOUR uses.

Customers have choices. "Consumer behavior" can be tricky to predict!

CBODY67
 
As an aside, I was changing out the front hub/bearing assemblys on my mid-aughts GM FWD minivan, and I asked a "professional" mechanic friend of mine if I should do things like replace the lower ball joints, tie rod ends, etc., while I had it all apart. He replied, if those OEM parts are still working fine, even with 150K on them, they are better than anything you can buy new at O'Reillys today. Don't touch them unless they are broken.

I was surprised . . . guess things aint what they used to be, lol.
 
As an aside . . . lower ball joints on fwd vehicles are not changed individually, as on older vehicles, BUT changed with the complete lower control arm. Much easier and quicker for all.

The fwd hub bearing units are now "maintenance items" as they are sealed units. When they get worn, the car's handling will become flaky. My recent experiences in this respect indicates that OEM-brand replacements can last up to about 200k miles before they need replacement . . . on the front. There are also rear hub bearings, too. FWD outer tie rod ends can fall into that same mileage orientation, as most OEM items do not have grease fittings.

"Grease fittings"? Do modern lube techs know about those things they have never seen???

End result is that many things we never worried about are now "maintenance items". Luckily, Moog services all of these things and pricing is not too bad, all things considered. Apparently the grease they put in the front hub bearings is better than what many OEMs use, OEM. My car runs much easier, more than it has since new, with the new Moog hub bearings, by observation, with better mpg as a result. Although the car did not ride and drive "bad", it now feels better than any of them I rented when they were new cars. Like many cars like it, its VALUE is in its reliability and durability, rather than what it is worth as a trade-in. Spending $2500 USD on repairs is better than spending $10+K, or even $25K USD for a two year old newer car, many times.

Whatever works.

Just some observations and experiences,
CBODY67
 
As an aside . . . lower ball joints on fwd vehicles are not changed individually, as on older vehicles, BUT changed with the complete lower control arm. Much easier and quicker for all.

The fwd hub bearing units are now "maintenance items" as they are sealed units. When they get worn, the car's handling will become flaky. My recent experiences in this respect indicates that OEM-brand replacements can last up to about 200k miles before they need replacement . . . on the front. There are also rear hub bearings, too. FWD outer tie rod ends can fall into that same mileage orientation, as most OEM items do not have grease fittings.

"Grease fittings"? Do modern lube techs know about those things they have never seen???

End result is that many things we never worried about are now "maintenance items". Luckily, Moog services all of these things and pricing is not too bad, all things considered. Apparently the grease they put in the front hub bearings is better than what many OEMs use, OEM. My car runs much easier, more than it has since new, with the new Moog hub bearings, by observation, with better mpg as a result. Although the car did not ride and drive "bad", it now feels better than any of them I rented when they were new cars. Like many cars like it, its VALUE is in its reliability and durability, rather than what it is worth as a trade-in. Spending $2500 USD on repairs is better than spending $10+K, or even $25K USD for a two year old newer car, many times.

Whatever works.

Just some observations and experiences,
CBODY67
my ‘08 Uplander has been one of the most reliable cars I’ve ever owned. The 3.9l pushrod V6 is bulletproof. I’ve changed out axle hubs, CV axles, a fuel pump, several sets of tires, rotors and pads 3 or 4 times, sliding door bearings, spark plugs and wires, door lock actuators, yet because I’ve done almost all the work myself, that’s only about $3K over 11 years. I’d get $500 on trade in so I’m just gonna keep it as a spare vehicle when the time comes to “retire” it.
 
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Probably about 15 years ago, there was a gentleman speaking on an NPR program about "Chinese engineers". University-trained Chinese engineers.

He noted that these people were certainly intelligent, resourceful, and could be innovative, BUT their level of university training was not to the level of what a USA university training would involve. I found that interesting! As if what the USA university engineering students receive is a more robust education, by comparison.

HA! As an engineering graduate, (B.S.E.E., U of Az, May 1999) I can attest that there remains MUCH room for improvement in U.S. based engineering programs. The year I graduated, the U of AZ ranked as the country's 11th best, which isn't too shabby. So much for the "Harvard of the Southwest."

I recall some acquaintance with PRC and Taiwanese exchange students during my lengthy curriculum at the UAz. Humble, polite and diligent, the PRC exchange students got on with their duties with relative little fuss. They consulted each other, and more highly placed graduate students also on exchange. The Taiwanese students were more blatant in copying each other's work, and acting like Americans. I didn't care for them, and, when they learned of my nippo-centric studies, they gave me good reason to continue disliking them. despite some of them being also in the same courses.

Both groups were authoritarian and conformist, but I saw plenty increase of such disorders in every part of the University populace while an inmate there. Both groups would actually work at least, unlike others I shan't mention. I had my own private tutoring service which provided my funds until mid 1997, when my studies had to take precedence, so I had plenty opportunity to study the students. Not a happy subject.

The reasons for inferior quality parts from Asia don't lie in the focus of their curricula, per se, but in culture and history. The Han Dynasty, which succeeded the much loathed, totalitarian and foreign Chin Dynasty which forever gave the country it's name, motivated by abhorrence for their former overlords AND the violence of the 500 years preceding that, BANNED LARGE SCALE IRON FOUNDRIES AND THE CHEAP, ABUNDANT IRON IMPLEMENTS WHICH HAD BEEN ACHIEVED DURING THE WARRING STATES PERIOD AND THE CHIN DYNASTY!!! The other great, technology retarding tragedy of the Han dynasty came from the government adoption of Master Kung Fu Tzu, in Latin, Confucius. Thus did formalism, appearance, ritual and conformity all come to dominate the Han psyche, to this very day. Such thinking makes for capitalism, now the accepted path of development in the Middle Socialist Republic. Their education methods still follow Master Kung far more than Masters Lao or Tse-dong.
Realize that the Roman Empire, under Tiberius experienced a similar technological freeze for about a century, with Tiberius exterminating a smith from Cordoba who had presented to him an innovative, much improved method of forging superior steel in quantity. Tiberius didn't care for upsetting the Status quo either. Conservatives always wind up pulling such stupidity. Ah, but the Romans had Germany to teach them a New Lesson and a Viking named Alfbert made the first Big Advance some centuries later. Thus did Europe forge ahead of Asia, for at least a millennium.

Until China gets some better coking coal, from elsewhere, their steel industry will continue to be plagued at the basic material quality level. But this doesn't explain low quality aluminum or cuprous alloys. For that, we can thank Master Kung.

A few years ago, I was at a used car lot with a wholesale customer, taking him a Hyundai part. This lot never had any foreign-brand cars on it. I carefully asked how those cars were holding up. He thought and replied "They don't seem to have the 'stamina' an American car has."

I suspect a lot of this comes from modern methods, just as you speculate below. Koreans and Japanese aren't Han, though influenced by that culture they are.

You can take that comment to have MANY meanings! Perhaps they just copied the USA-brand orientation of making it just good enough to get out of warranty before having problems (which used to be a somewhat common comment in the USA)? Just like an observation I made back in the earlier 1970s, about some GM parts which had failed, "If they'd have spent another dime to get a better part, it would not have failed so soon." At the individual level, that amount would have been inconsequential, but at the level of GM (or other OEMs), that mere dime would be millions of dollars each year.

Perhaps the "saving grace" of USA-brand car parts has been their robustness of design?

Moreso for PAST American products than a lot of the crap we get now. I say what remnant of good quality we still enjoy here comes from the Twilight's Last Gleaming. Modern college culture certainly doesn't inculcate the old time pursuit of quality or honesty we had in our youth.

Which made a similar part from a foreign country OEM look "dinky" by comparison.

ALL off-shore products made for USA use are produced to "a spec". The buyer KNOWS what they are getting and paying for. So their selling price point and profits are ensured. Which means the level of "good enough" is not a universal orientation, but variable as to the brand buying the product from the Chinese company producing it. Just as there were USA brands, in the 1960s, which each fit the old criteria of "good", "better", and "best". What might be "good" for one customer, could be "great" or "junk" for another user, by observation. Generally, car repair people knew what was what, as they got to see what failed and how soon.

All true enough, so long as the specs are adhered to. But when buying from the Bazaar or Sook, "Caveat Emptor!"

At the consumer level, one brand of tire can be acknowledged to be "the best" for many customers. Yet if that tire is put on a car that is only driven to the grocery store, church, and beauty salon, for about 4000miles/year, that 80k mile durability rating will mean the tire will age0out of usefulness with lots of tread left on it. Yet a lesser brand, will be worn out by the time the tire ages out of life. Still a good quality tire that can be a better fit for the intended use.

I am for USA-made parts and such, BUT if I perceive another part is just as good, I'm looking at the total picture, not just "country of origin" specifically. In the hierarchy of "good, better, and best" for MY uses. Which might not be YOUR uses.

Oh I too don't hesitate to buy stuff made overseas when it meets MY requirements, as I've demonstrated numerous times on this Forum. Cost Effectiveness remains my TOP qualifier. While the points and condenser in that CarDon't distributor I copped in 2018 crapped out predictably soon, the aluminum body and bushings thus far have endured. I occasionally give it duty when I rotate another distributor into Gertrude for a tune-up. Mind you, I fit it with NOS Mopar components now, and it does quite well so. Likewise, I've happily used Korean and Indonesian tires for YEARS, and don't foresee an end to that. The MasterCrap tires I tried once, while made in the U.S., still didn't satisfy me. Caveat Emptor indeed. I certainly can't be accused of any nationalist or worse, patriotarded motivation here. And, while I sneer at much of the Middle Kingdom's wares, I'll take their stuff hands down over the real slag puked out of the Subcontinent now moving in on them. At least Master Kung gave the Middle Republic SOME ethics!

Customers have choices. "Consumer behavior" can be tricky to predict!

CBODY67

Wise Words! Markets can and will be stampeded by all kinds of crap, whether contrived or accidental.
 
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