Fusie Factory Dual Exhaust Question /// Help!!!!!

polara71 said:
Thank You Doug..... I would swear that all 440 1970 and 1971 Furys, Polaras and Monacos had dual exhaust. I made this argument many moons ago on this board. I was told it was optional by many....... so to keep the peace here I wrote the "at least optional" ..... Sometimes I just dont have it in me and I move on, I dont like my face blue
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I have been looking around this site for a while now and am always puzzled as to why you get so angry (blue in the face) when someone points out something that you didn't know about or agree with. Many people on here that are simply trying to assist others with their experiences, you get all bent out of shape when you are proven wrong and you refuse to accept it and disregard facts.

This list of exhaust systems that was compiled was obviously intended to be a guideline to help answer the original question and as I see it, did so fairly accurately. It was clear if you actually read it that the list implied cars that you as the general public could buy and did not include fleet cars. One would of course assume that Police Cars would still come equipped with HP engines with dual exhausts throughout the 1970's so this is really not such a revelation.
 
policeplymo said:
I have been looking around this site for a while now and am always puzzled as to why you get so angry (blue in the face) when someone points out something that you didn't know about or agree with. Many people on here that are simply trying to assist others with their experiences, you get all bent out of shape when you are proven wrong and you refuse to accept it and disregard facts.
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First welcome aboard. Second pretty ballsy first post for a newbie. I think Dave was simply trying to point out that his decades of experience didn't agree with the the documentation presented. One thing I know is that Ma Mopar routinely deviated from what she put into print once production got going.
 
Fratzog said:
First welcome aboard. Second pretty ballsy first post for a newbie. I think Dave was simply trying to point out that his decades of experience didn't agree with the the documentation presented. One thing I know is that Ma Mopar routinely deviated from what she put into print once production got going.
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X2 on that.

Dave might be showing some frustration here, but I really don't know as you need to call him out on it on your first post.
 
policeplymo said:
I have been looking around this site for a while now and am always puzzled as to why you get so angry (blue in the face) when someone points out something that you didn't know about or agree with. Many people on here that are simply trying to assist others with their experiences, you get all bent out of shape when you are proven wrong and you refuse to accept it and disregard facts.

This list of exhaust systems that was compiled was obviously intended to be a guideline to help answer the original question and as I see it, did so fairly accurately. It was clear if you actually read it that the list implied cars that you as the general public could buy and did not include fleet cars. One would of course assume that Police Cars would still come equipped with HP engines with dual exhausts throughout the 1970's so this is really not such a revelation.
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I love to be proven wrong, it teaches me something I dont know. I never hold a firm stance unless I am 99 percent certain I am correct. So in that instance I am wrong a say " damn, I was wrong" and move on, which has happened many times on this site where I have written just that.

And NO it is not assumed when it is in print or spoken " this is the way this came or that came and something wasnt available" . Example .... 1971 Dodge Polaras were not available with a U code 440. Am I or anyone else especially a newcomer supposed to understand that this statement does or does not include fleet cars? Well, what else does it not include? So when that statement is made and someone not in the know starts repeating that as gospel, misinformation is spread because the statement is simply not accurate. The fact is they were available in 1971 Dodge Polaras ......

Oh, and I NEVER get angry when someone points out something that I dont know about. Why would I or anyone else for that matter? That statement doesnt even make sense to me...

AND never assume, if you're gonna do it then presume . Welcome to the site, I hope you enjoy your stay :tiphat:
 
Big_John said:
X2 on that.

Dave might be showing some frustration here, but I really don't know as you need to call him out on it on your first post.
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Thank you John..... I dont see frustration in anything Ive written, or what the newcomer is so uptight about. Fred once said I have a "Jersey Dead Pan face" Im still trying to figure out what that means but I have a feeling it may apply here... Fred?
 
polara71 said:
..... Example .... 1971 Dodge Polaras were not available with a U code 440. Am I or anyone else especially a newcomer supposed to understand that this statement does or does not include fleet cars? Well, what else does it not include? So when that statement is made and someone not in the know starts repeating that as gospel, misinformation is spread because the statement is simply not accurate. The fact is they were available in 1971 Dodge Polaras ......
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BINGO! Way too much misinformation gets repeated as "truth".

Document...document...document.
 
Don't know if anyone posted this, and I'm not going to read five pages to see, but there was at least one car with factory duals in 1979. Yes!! The Cordoba 300 had duals, factory. It was because of that that the car could not have electric seats - or swivel seats, I forget. That car, you probably know, came with the E58 360, a nice performer for '79!
 
Snotty said:
Don't know if anyone posted this, and I'm not going to read five pages to see, but there was at least one car with factory duals in 1979. Yes!! The Cordoba 300 had duals, factory. It was because of that that the car could not have electric seats - or swivel seats, I forget. That car, you probably know, came with the E58 360, a nice performer for '79!
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Intersting. Can't for the life of me understand what seats have to do with it, though.
 
polara71 said:
Much of Mopar literature has incorrectness in it which suggests it was written or drawn before production.....
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Indeed.... even over a number of years. I forget whether it was my '69 or '71 factory service manual that still had a few images of the 1966 and earlier Polyspheric 318 in the smallblock section of the engine rebuilding chapter. Obviously not where the valvetrain was concerned, but in, say, pictures of the front of the engine with the timing case open.
 
Snotty said:
Don't know if anyone posted this, and I'm not going to read five pages to see, but there was at least one car with factory duals in 1979. Yes!! The Cordoba 300 had duals, factory. It was because of that that the car could not have electric seats - or swivel seats, I forget. That car, you probably know, came with the E58 360, a nice performer for '79!
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I'm thinking that more than the 300 got duals in 1979....

The tag picture is from a 79 Dodge St. Regis cop car with E58 N41 duals

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A big source of confusion in the FSM is where they refer to the Dana 53 rear used on some 4 speeds and the ilustration shows the 74+ corporate 9¼...
That's compounded by the fact that very few people have even heard of the Dana 53.
 
commando1 said:
Intersting. Can't for the life of me understand what seats have to do with it, though.
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It was the way the seats mounted; the use of duals got in the way under the floor. If the deletion was electric seats, they may have feared failure due to heat. I've been in 3 '79 300s; don't recall any of them having electric seats.

One of those cars I wish I had bought! (Two were rather rough.)
 
Can't believe that floor pans were different for power and manual.
I will take your word for it. Thanks.
 
There it is! I learned it by reading the Factory Service Manual that I had when I owned my '79 Cordoba - E56 motor.

I got in a big argument with a Smog Check Station over this very question. I had a custom exhaust, single, put on my Newport. The man was looking at it with a mirror. I asked him why, he said, "To see if it's legal." So I said, "What would you do if it had duals?" "Fail it." "Why?" "Because they didn't come that way in this car." You can imagine what was said after that. I eventually said, "What if I came in here with my FSM and showed you the dual set-up that was a factory installation?" "I'd still fail it." "Why?" "Because I've never seen one."

Sheesh!
 
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