MOTOR WONT TURN OVER

all of you are on crack. every last one of you. look at his carb hookup. too busy arguing about the thermostat i suppose.

go ahead, ill wait.
 
to the OP -
STOP trying to start this thing. you are not there yet. you are gonna blow up, or worse.

stay here, learn, and dont believe the first thing someone says. you'd be in a starter rebuild and solenoid and who knows what else. learn what everyone says they think it is, get an FSM, and then go do it yourself.

try not to die -

- saylor
 
he's just trying to get it to turn over on it's own. running will come later.
 
all of you are on crack. every last one of you. look at his carb hookup. too busy arguing about the thermostat i suppose.

go ahead, ill wait.
now when you monkeys are done looking at that, look at the middle of the dizzy.
He's not trying to start it. He just wants to crank it over a few revs.

From post #11
... but I am not trying to start the motor... I am simply trying to turn the motor over...
 
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the pump won't pump gas until it turns over. he never said anything about physically putting gas in the carb.
 
Note for Saylor, Coil wire is disconnected as noted in a previous post. Yes fuel an vac lines are routed wrong which is irrelevant until he gets a working starter. PM was sent to OP to correct his line routing.

Dave
 
first off, like I've said, I'm a ROOKIE. I am surrounded by mechanics here in my hometown. the one that is actually taking his free time to come over to my house to work on it has over 10 classic cars himself. personally I don't plan on. doing very much mechanically without him, or one of the others holding my hand... that not my gig. that being said id like to learn what he is doing to my car and why. I joined this forum for my education as well. **** like "look at his carb hookup", "look at the middle of the dizzy", and the funniest of all "to the OP - STOP trying to start this thing" is about as useless as tits on a bull! I would love to, as stated "stay here, learn, and dont believe the first thing someone says" but honestly comments like that make me think that certain people just want to call out other people that they THINK aren't on their level.... honestly, ill trust my mechanic before I ever trust a person that spews out comments like that. to everyone else... thanks for the constructive comments! keep 'em coming.
 
I was just gonna let this go...

First, yea, don't try to start it or even turn it over. The fuel line is hooked to the vacuum port on the carb. All that will accomplish is to pump fuel into the manifold and into the cylinders... Not good on any level.

Second, I felt like you scolded me for asking about the seized engine because you red x'd my question. I don't read everything here, so I had no idea about what was going on. I just now read your post about it, and all is says is you dumped some Marvel Mystery Oil in the cylinders. Nothing about why (if you know) it was seized. The crossed lines kinda gives me a clue what might have happened, if that was the way you received the car. Your starter problems may or may not be directly related. To try to help, we must know what is going on.

Third, I understand that you are new at this. Please understand that there are a lot of possible problems that could be happening. Some guys will just trow out possible fixes and then there's some of us that actually try to help you diagnose the problem without randomly throwing parts at it. A little patience is needed and in the end, you'll have to make the decision what path to take.

Forums can be the greatest place to learn, but you have to research it yourself too. We don't have all the answers... Sometimes we aren't really sure of the questions.

I really wish you good luck with this.... But sit back, take a deep breath and here's a place to start. Download a FSM (factory service manual) here: MyMopar - Mopar Forums & Information - Service Manuals

They have a simplified wiring diagram too. MyMopar - Mopar Forums & Information - Mopar Wiring / Electrical

While you're at it, grab a parts manual too. MyMopar - Mopar Forums & Information - Parts & Accessories Books
 
I was just gonna let this go...

First, yea, don't try to start it or even turn it over. The fuel line is hooked to the vacuum port on the carb. All that will accomplish is to pump fuel into the manifold and into the cylinders... Not good on any level.

Second, I felt like you scolded me for asking about the seized engine because you red x'd my question. I don't read everything here, so I had no idea about what was going on. I just now read your post about it, and all is says is you dumped some Marvel Mystery Oil in the cylinders. Nothing about why (if you know) it was seized. The crossed lines kinda gives me a clue what might have happened, if that was the way you received the car. Your starter problems may or may not be directly related. To try to help, we must know what is going on.

Third, I understand that you are new at this. Please understand that there are a lot of possible problems that could be happening. Some guys will just trow out possible fixes and then there's some of us that actually try to help you diagnose the problem without randomly throwing parts at it. A little patience is needed and in the end, you'll have to make the decision what path to take.

Forums can be the greatest place to learn, but you have to research it yourself too. We don't have all the answers... Sometimes we aren't really sure of the questions.

I really wish you good luck with this.... But sit back, take a deep breath and here's a place to start. Download a FSM (factory service manual) here: MyMopar - Mopar Forums & Information - Service Manuals

They have a simplified wiring diagram too. MyMopar - Mopar Forums & Information - Mopar Wiring / Electrical

While you're at it, grab a parts manual too. MyMopar - Mopar Forums & Information - Parts & Accessories Books
Thanks big_john. I wish I had some sort of background with all of this so I actually could help you help me but unfortunately my expertise lies in what in the other 3 bays of my old cinder block walled garage... my woodworking tools! Youre right about the research thing... I guess I'm just anxious to just get to hear my engine for the first time I'm trying together as much help in as little time as possible.

I looked back and could not find where I "scolded" you, but if I did, my apologies.

As far as the background of this car. I have no resource for what has been done or what what in the process of being done because unfortunately the previous owner recently passed away... hence my acquiring the car. I didn't fall in love with it because of my desire to become a full fledged mechanic, but rather my desire to preserve a little bit of history the best I could while having some fun driving around towns with what I think is an incredibly classy looking bad-*** car.

This weekend I will be picking up the remainder of the extra parts, extra 727 tranny, build sheet, service manual, etc from the person who's hands I took it off of.

Thanks again for the input!
 
@DDR2467 - I was in nearly at the same place you are now 3 years ago. I spent a lot of time on this site before starting my first post. Like you, I was a DIY ‘maintenance mechanic’. Oil, fluids, spark plugs. I never had the confidence to take on any real mechanical things. Even sent my car off to have the engine rebuilt by a mechanic. But that was three years ago. Now I have more confidence to take things on I would have never thought possible just a couple of years ago. But if there is one thing I have learned over that time, these beautiful cars of our will ALWAYS have something go wrong on them. They are 50+ years old. Patience is key....

In my time on this site, I have also learned a lot about different members personalities, in some cases I have come to considered some of these folks friends and we have never met, talked in person, or know each other’s real names. There are others on here that are sarcastic, borderline rude, but when you read their other posts, you realize it is just their form of humor. And there are a few on here that are just..... well, you know. But even the folks who are @$!??& are still really knowledgeable. My advice: take the wisdom they are imparting, and disregard the rest. That advice is just plain old good practice for life in general.

At the end of the day, nearly everyone on this site LOVES these cars. You will find the good always outweighs the bad. And if you find it’s getting to serious, follow the Funny Picture Thread on this site - HILARIOUS stuff there.

I really don’t have a lot of advice on your starter/cranking issue. My position is make the engine reliable with less concern about OEM. But I am one of the folks that has electronic fuel injection and electronic ignition in my ‘68 300. Oh.... I couldn’t help but notice you have a similar MSD electronic ignition box in your engine bay too. Again, I am not a real mechanic, but pretty sure that is not OEM.

have a great weekend!
 
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P.s. if you wanna get some of these guys on your good side, post some more pics of your garage with the maintenance pit. I am jealous!!!
 
ok lets pretend it DOES turn over. Hes gonna go KICK ***!! and turn it over a bunch. Hes got to get the MMO out of it. As soon as that thing turns 1 milimeter, its gonna try to be pumping gas if the pump is capable and connected to that eddys front port. unhook your FP and fill up a bottle with gas turning over the motor see how fast it fills up.

and thats 3/8" gas full blast thats not a pump shot.

and is it old *** gas?


if you all can REALLY overlook that and go nahombre its all good - i HUGELY disagree.

AND - with you seeing it rigged up like rube goldberg - do you REALLY trust ANYTHING else in there? You just gonna light up that MSD box huh.

is the stock ammeter still in play?

what im beefed on is all yall CANT TELL THIS NEW GUY ' ya man just fkn turn it over worry about the rest later ' thats just messed up. hes telling us he dont know how to approach this.




So - new dude.
Get an FSM. Somehow someway.
Dont try to start this yet. if the cylinders are soaking, they will be OK soaking another week.
Straighten out your business.
Figure out, and answer, if the stock ammeter is still involved or bypassed.
Make sure your charging circuit is up tp spec.
Make sure your starting circuit is up to spec.
Make sure your fuel flow is up tp spec.
THEN go for it.


try not to die -

- saylor
 
He may be new but I don't think he's an idiot, which is how you are treating him, you can give advice in a less condescending tone IMO.

All he is looking for is to be able to turn the key and have the starter engage and maybe rotate just a hair to confirm the starter circuit is operational, to assume that he's going to try and fire up the motor is just pure conjecture on your part.

He has stated that he knows there is much more to do before starting the motor and was only trying to get it to roll over now that the cylinders are moving freely. Even if he does crank it a tad too much and some gas does get pushed into the intake through the improperly hooked up fuel line what could it do other then flood out the intake....yeah like none of us have ever done that before. :rolleyes: His coil is unhooked with the plugs out, motor is not going to fire or hurt anything.
 
Lots of posts since my new post. First off thank you to EVERYONE now for reaching out and trying to help. Lets see if I can explain things a bit better now that I have an idea what I think I'm doing. The mechanic I mentioned had initially told me what everyone here has also spoken to.

- dont even think about starting it (WHICH I NEVER SAID I INTENDED ON DOING AT THIS POINT!)

- pull the plugs and fill the cylinders with Justice Brothers 80 (my call) and some MMO then after some time, try turning the pully with a breaker bar. After researching some posts HERE I figured I would be better off slapping a socket on the crankshaft nut. So after only 2 days of soaking and after removing the fan and radiator shroud I jumped down into my pit and with a small amount of force I was able to spin the engine at will. This led me to believe that the engine wasn't sitting stagnant for that long. Good right?

- he then told me to put the key in the ignition and turn it over frequently while adding more MMO and probably some brake fluid to break up some of the finer continents. After a few days I was to drain the crap that was in it, replace the filter, add some inexpensive oil and keep on turning it over. Only after that point would he then come back to my garage, disconnect the fuel lines and feed the carb with an alternative fuel source and see what we get when we fire it up.

However this weekend I ran into an issue... when turning the ignition I only heard the pin engage but nothing else... no spinning, no nothing. So, I troubleshot the issue of the starter engaging but not spinning MYSELF and low and behold, removed, purchased, and reinstalled the new starter along with some new wiring to finally get to hear my engine turn over via the ignition. got to say I'm pretty damn happy with myself. Tuesday is the day I move forward with trying to start it!
 
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